2009 Ducati Desmosedici RR Review

Tuesday, March 31, 2009
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Red lips and curving hips leave the timid rider feeling a little weak in the knees.
SUSPENSION
AtlasDucati doesn’t skimp when it comes to suspension and this is where things start to merge a bit more between the street and race bikes. The suspension on the GP8 is only a couple generations in front of that on the D16RR. In other words, a few years back the GP boys were riding on the exact same gas-charged Ohlins fork and Ohlins TXX rear shock the D16RR hits showroom floors with. Where the real difference comes from is in the setup and tire grip. Stoner’s ride felt compliant and amazingly balanced no matter what I threw at it, though slightly loose on corner exit. This comes from loads of testing data at the Valencia track where I rode it and a seasoned team, one which just won a world championship.

On the other hand, the stock Desmo’s settings were so incredibly far off it was almost scary to ride at first. The whole thing was stiff as a board and the bike would instantly stand up when any amount of brakes were applied at lean. It took the better part of a day for us to get it properly set up, as the gas-charged Ohlins are tricky. Some extreme preload reduction and pulling the compression back several clicks on both ends resulted in a much more complaint machine, one which would actually allow trail-braking.

The bike’s limitation then became the tires. Due to an odd-sized 16-inch rear wheel, the only tires currently available for the D16 are the stock Bridgestones, which have to be ordered from a Ducati dealership at a fairly steep price. I guess anything associated with this bike fits the, “If you’ve got to ask, you can’t afford it,” adage. They are a mix of street and track, and are quite competent on the road but leave something to be desired on the track. When wailing away at 150mph through Turn 8 at Willow on an $85,000 motorcycle, the last thing you want to worry about is tire grip. Not to mention the rear wears extremely fast when pushed hard, a result of the massive power being pumped through the back rubber. This added a fairly nerve-racking element to the two days of track testing.
Ducati Desmosedici D16RR
"If God were to ever ask me what my perfect motorcycle would be, Ducati’s Desmosedici D16RR would be it." - Waheed. 


Waheed: It’s impossible not to notice those long, gold gas-charged canisters behind each fork leg. Although they’re standard issue in professional Superbike and MotoGP circles, I was really skeptical of how they would perform on the Desmo. Are they even real? After two stints at Willow International Raceway the answer is: Yes!

Even for my 180-pounds, the bike was really stiff with the front end never really compressing even under hard braking. Thus, getting the bike to change direction took plenty of muscle. When you did finally get the bike to turn, once you’d reach a certain threshold the bike would fall into the corner, which was unpredictable and not very confidence inspiring to say the least.

Fortunately, the Ohlins FG353 pressurized fork has a versatile window of adjustment. We backed out the preload and low-speed compression on both the fork and Ohlin’s TTX rear shock which drastically changed the Desmo’s handling characteristics. While it still required a bit of input to change direction, once turned it would fall into the corner predictably.

On the street, there’s simply no way to dial down the suspension to a comfortable level. Out on the highway, road bumps that you would typically glide over on a normal street bike are big enough to get the rear wheel to momentarily lose contact with the pavement. And, unless you’re coming into a cloverleaf hot, triple-digit speed-style, you never really notice the benefits of the fork. But they sure look the part.

Atlas putting the Desmo to the test.
With 180 horses to chew up circuits, the Desmosedici is a bike built from the start with the track in mind.
CHASSIS
Atlas
: Another area where the two feel nearly identical is the chassis, probably even more so than suspension. They kept every last ounce of the GP8’s rigidity on the street machine, making probably the stiffest street-legal bike currently (or maybe ever) produced. While this makes for a harsh ride when going to the coffee shop, on the track it translates every last bump and imperfection right to the rider. Coming from mostly soft street bikes recently, this took a few sessions to get used to, but I became quite fond of it, bringing me back to relive my 15 minutes of GP fame.

Waheed: From the moment you lift the kickstand and slip out onto the road, there is no way to mask how rigid the Desmo’s chassis is. Even softening the suspension has little change on how unyielding it feels as a whole. On the flip side, when you’re lapping around Willow’s 2.5-mile road course, the Desmo feels more solid than a high-end European sports car. The tiniest body movement or control input yields an equally exact response from the machine. All the while an almost overwhelming level of road and machine feel is delivered through the control surfaces on a level higher than most full-on production-based road racers! Perhaps what’s even more amazing is just how much feedback is delivered considering the less than optimum racetrack performance delivered from Bridgestone’s D16RR-spec BT-002 tires. I could only imagine how incredible it would feel with some of Bridgestone’s racing slicks.


If you're looking for the cup holder, you need not apply.
ERGONOMICS
Atlas: Like the chassis, the ergonomics remain unchanged from the GP rocket to the street rocket. Ducati was smart – when they said they were going to build a direct replica they did exactly that. No disappointment here. Again this instantly brought me back to my GP ride, right down to the material the seat is made from. It’s quite aggressive for the street, but who cares? This is about having a radical race-replica machine and the Italians know exactly how to do that. Give the consumer the real thing.

Waheed: A self-confessed, Ducati-phile, it appears that the Ducati Corsa engineers designed the Desmo specifically for me. Although the seat height will be tall for many, it’s spot-on for my six-foot frame; so is the extended reach to the low-slung handlebars. The bike is much narrower between your legs than any new 1000cc Inline-Four, yet is still slightly wider than Ducati’s own super-slim 1098/1198. With feet propped on both pegs there was just enough room for my lower body, which made it just plausible enough for some sport-touring. When the road starts zigzagging, however, the ergonomics are not only perfect but it’s literally impossible to drag any hard parts … unless you’re moments away from crashing.

FUN QUOTIENT
Atlas: For those who ride at the racetrack on a regular basis and TIVO every motorcycle race they can get their hands on, plus have a good paying job, the Desmo may just be the perfect motorcycle. Who cares if it’s uncomfortable on the street and costs a truckload of money; those thoughts will quickly be erased the second your right wrist is pinned to the stop. The power is smooth and relatively easy to control, but the monstrous torque slams you back in the seat with vigor. 


Functional art, the Desmosedici is as photogenic as it is thrilling to ride.
The real GP steed, on the other hand, is almost too much. The sheer speed and effort it takes to comprehend the velocity it produces is extremely taxing. That said, the exhilaration is unrivaled, with one’s adrenal glands pumping gallons of the good stuff straight into your blood the entire ride. It’s for this reason that I’ve been in withdrawal ever since. At least until we got our hands on the D16RR. 

Waheed: If God were to ever ask me what my perfect motorcycle would be, Ducati’s Desmosedici D16RR would be it. It’s perfect when you’re wheelieing down the freeway, spinning laps on the racetrack or scaring soccer moms as you zip through rush-hour traffic. It embodies everything awesome about sportbikes and does so at the rawest, most pure level. It’s sensitive, loud, flashy, fast, expensive and completely impractical – except for those 1500 or so lucky people who realize how much of a bargain an $85,000 MotoGP bike is.

BELIEVE THE HYPE?
We all want to be Valentino Rossi or Casey Stoner. It’s why we follow the sport religiously, it’s why we put stickers on our sportbikes, and sometimes it even dictates which brand motorcycle we buy. Ducati has given us as close an option as there has ever been, and maybe ever will be, to experiencing a true GP machine. The cost is extremely steep, but so is the performance. If I could honestly come anywhere close to 85K, I would flat out have to have it. In fact, I even considered getting a loan – and I have access to just about any new sportbike at any given time, for free. But there is only one Ducati D16RR. I yearn to have it back, I want that rush! What can I say, I’m an addict.

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Comments
Jed - D16RR  November 7, 2009 09:35 PM
For $75K it better be able to eat anything on two wheels anywhere anytime or its junk. Collectors item or not period end of story.
louden roadracer - ?  August 15, 2009 05:21 PM
well iv been maxing out the gsxr1000 ever since it came out in 01 im board of it i do street stunts and high speed street racing, i raced louden for yrs, iv tried the new zx10 junk havent tried the new r1 but they are always weak so why wast the money to be bumed about peformance, iv been thinking on buying one of these money pit just hoping and dreaming mabe ill get the shit scared out of me finaly again like the first time i tried to tame gsxr1000. i want that fear of the un know again like i said i used to say good by to my home my animals and my stupid liying whore every time i left i didnt think i would ever see home again, now iv hade 9 of them now i want to buy the desmo and feel good about my purchases that i can smoke any 1000 track or street, it very important cause if it caint beat everything then there just stealing from there supporters and the people that live for high speed and near death experiences on everyday level. should i buy or not i need answers
cammo16 - desmo rr set up  May 20, 2009 12:32 AM
Hi all.......anyone out there with some suspension setup info for the rr at the track? Had some big front end slides under braking and found that it was bottoming out.Two turns on the preload made it a bit better but then had an off,wasn't going any faster, slower if anything cos it was the slow down lap, been round the same corner alot faster,front end just washed out and no i wasn't on the brakes either,was like i hit oil but went and had a look but couldn't see anything.The factory settings seem pretty hard in the rear but it seemed to be ok there.Still, i think there is alot of room for some tweaking!!! I'm 6"2 and weigh about 90kg with all the gear on. Ive noticed that some other owners have smoke comming out when it's warming up,once i've been out for some laps it's fine.Whats going on there?It's had the first service and has the supplied race exhaust and ecu installed. Love riding this bike,an absolute pleasure and as close to riding a gp bike that i was ever going to get,saying that though,it doesn't have the mumbo i thought it would. The ecu that is supplied is a closed loop so you can't play around.I guess you can't have people leaning things out too much and then have blown motors all over the place with warranty claims. I know magnetti marelli have some goodies available for the rr that let you play around,but then thats opening another can of worms.....and it aint cheap either,maybe later. Ive had mine on the dyno and 164 at the wheel was it.Bit dissapointing,but better than some others,and again it depends on what dyno. I would love to set this bike up really well for the track in general so any starting points would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone
ducati - o phile - Tail piece  May 7, 2009 09:25 AM
It was mentioned in the article that the tail piece is aftermarket... it comes with the termignoni system
Miffy - moo  April 25, 2009 10:34 AM
This is how I wish'd all the sports bikes would look because I just love how the fairing covers the whole bike. I never understood why they make sports bikes so ugly when the moto gp styling is so spot on. A shame that the bike is so expensive cause I wouldn't ever be able to afford one lol.
Isaac - Is that exhaust standard?  April 14, 2009 06:22 PM
I was looking at the ducati website for reference photos to build a 3D model of this bike. I noticed the exhaust system and tail are quite different from the one pictured in this article. Is that a kit or something or will that be in fact production?
Superlight - Master Bike  April 3, 2009 07:12 AM
benroe, submit your request to those doing Master Bike, like Cycle World magazine, if you want to see this happen.
benroe - desmo  April 2, 2009 11:41 PM
I say put this steed in masterbike!! Let's see what she does against the current crop of literbikes. Sure she costs a ton more than most, but so does an MV, and it gets in every year.
Racer1 - yea - this is getting old...  April 2, 2009 02:28 PM
Superlight - I didn't mean to make it personal - apologies if you took it that way, I was just genuinely confused as to why you kept referencing the current 800cc Ducati as a way to judge the D16RR. I am a Brit - no AMA titles and too old and cautious to join the fray at that level now - I did win nationally in the UK on 250cc and 350cc and also raced at 600 - nationally and in Europe. We both agree that it would be interesting to see how it goes around a track compared to other production bikes - Pointless? Well, the knowledge itself itself would be the point for me as I couldn't afford one anyway! I also agree that it would be pointless from a sales point of view as it's going to be a collectors item primarily anyway - who is seriously going to thrash their $85,000+ toy around a track?
Chuckie - Racer1  April 2, 2009 10:29 AM
I thought about Bayliss but he is retired now and may...just may have lost a little bit if an edge. Besides I can just see all the readers saying he threw the comparison because he worked for Ducati for so long; kind of like what readers said when Kevin Schwantz did a comparison with a 01GSXR1000 against a Z06 vette. Also, Biaggi has some current experience with an I-4. But like I said in my post Biaggi or any other rider with equal or better credentials would be fine with me.
Superlight - D16RR  April 2, 2009 07:55 AM
Racer1, I think this discussion has gone far enough for me. Knowing how much better the D16RR goes around a racetrack than a production superbike would be an interesting, but pointless exercise, but if some media types want to do it, then go right ahead! OBTW, since you seem to want to make this personal, yes, I'm aware that the MotoGP format changed to 800cc two years ago. I also was a real racer myself, winning two AMA national class championships back in the mid-'80s, on a Ducati. And, yes, I'll admit I don't care for the Japanese superbikes of today, but that's just my opinion. Your view of the world may be different and I'm fine with that.
Racer1 - Chuckie...  April 2, 2009 06:49 AM
Troy Bayliss would really be the edeal person to do a back to back comparison for us. He has not only ridden the D16 to its last MotoGP victory - flag to flag no less - but has also been quite effective on the 1198 (something of an understatement there). As a bonus, he has a lot of time on his hands right now, so obviously he would immediately grant our request to test out the road versions of those bikes and put this matter to rest once and for all. Anyone got his phone number?
Racer1 - I guess we need to agree to differ...  April 1, 2009 08:27 PM
Seeing as most of these bikes are destined to be pool room baubles (and for some reason people seem to like that idea) it really doesn't matter if they even have functioning engines. Why not circle the tach with diamonds too - that'll jack up the value and add a exotic feel, The bottom line, that we are all aware of, and some here are eager to deny, is that after $25,000 or so on a production, road legal sport bike you start running hard and fast into the law of diminishing returns. If I spend serious money on a track or race bike and don't see an improvement in lap times then that money is essentially wasted. Superlight - are you even aware that MotoGP went to 800c in 2007? Why do you insist on asking us to look to current Ducati MotoGP bikes as some sort of way to measure the performance of the D16RR? Undoubtedly the D16RR is a truly excellent bike - this I don't doubt for a moment. What I am interested in as someone who virtually lives at the track, is what performance differences are actually measurable for the considerable extra outlay. I am not in the tax bracket to be able to afford a D16RR and have zero interest in collecting bikes as art or investments - a racing motorcycle to me is a machine to be judged on its merits. If a bike is built primarily for rich non riding collectors, why even bother to make the thing functional?
Chuckie - Trump, I'm a think'n what if  April 1, 2009 08:08 PM
Well what about this, Max Biaggi? Ya Max. Put Max on both bikes, D16 and any production replica, and compare lap times. He has raced both GP and WSBK professionally and certainly can push these bikes to their limits. I’m not saying he would do the comparison test but if he or any other rider with his credentials would it will solve the valid issue that you pointed out Trump.
Trump - Think people  April 1, 2009 07:28 PM
Testing this bike against production sportbikes might be entertaining, but it is not meaningful. The results would only tell us what bike the rider was able to handle. Look at the difference between Stoner and Hayden in the final MotoGP test last weekend. They are riding the same bike, but Hayden is almost 2 seconds slower. If you have journalists (who are much better riders than I) testing a hard-edge MotoGP replica against more forgiving productions sportbikes, you are only going to see what bike suites their riding style. Yes, a MasterBike format would allow for more riders, thus more chance someone could master the potential of the D16RR. Anyway, if someone does such a test, I'll certainly read it, but if some journo can't knock a second or two off his lap time on this bike, it won't diminish the product in my mind.
Superlight - Suzuki  April 1, 2009 06:46 PM
Mladin is one heck of a rider, obviously, as his battles with Spies were hard-fought and look at how well Spies is doing now in WSB. That said, the Yosh Suzukis seem to be a world apart from the Suzuki WSB machines, which are competitive but don't "run away and hide" from the competition like they have in AMA racing. That Mladin's times would have placed him 10th on the MotoGP grid at Laguna is laudable for sure, but 10th ain't 1rst either. If you'd like an apples-to-apples racing comparison, look at the Japanese MotoGP bikes versus MotoGP Ducatis. Now that's a fair comparison. If you guys need to see the performance numbers on a street D16RR versus the superbikes, some media types should take this challenge seriously and do the comparo.
Chuckie - Superlight & Racer1  April 1, 2009 04:47 PM
Superlight, "Every other 1000cc race bike" is comparable to the D16? Oh, come on". Yup, as a matter of fact when the 990cc Ducati was racing at the US GP at Laguna in 2006 Mladin’s GSXR1000’s qualifying time would have put him 10th on the starting grid for the GP race. And that’s the same track, same day, and same weather in a racing environment under racing conditions. Now what could that production based bike have done if it had carbon brake rotors, 50lbs. less weight, and even better tires…just a thought
Racer1 - lap times...  April 1, 2009 03:44 PM
"It will prove very little" - It will prove exactly what people want to know... How much extra performance does an extra $60-70,000 buy you in terms of performance over the rest of the 1000cc race bikes. Why is this so hard to grasp? Of course no-one is buying this bike for its lap times or cross shopping with other models - what has that to do with people's interest in its actual abilities and function as compared to other 1000cc race bikes. And yes, they are comparable in the sense that they are the same displacement and built for the exact same purpose. I understand the appeal of exotica, but machines don't get given that kind of status purely based on the price, rarity and exclusivity - there has to be some degree of merit in there too. What better way to prove that than by showing a clean pair of heels to every other 1000cc bike in the environment that it was built for?
Superlight - D16RR  April 1, 2009 03:17 PM
Racer1, since some of you seem to think its important to compare the D16RR to more affordable production bikes, then a website like this one should take the hint and do just that. It will prove very little, but may satisfy your "need to know". Not one sale of the 1500 or so Desmosedicis will hang on these results, however - its an academic exercise at best. "Every other 1000cc race bike" is comparable to the D16? Oh, come on. Only if Ducati pulls a 2006 D16 racer out of the museum would that be fair, and its still apples/oranges.
Racer1 - D16RR  April 1, 2009 01:52 PM
You know Superlight, I'm kind of surprised you didn't just say "Yea, it'd be cool to see how this thing actually compares on the track against other liter bikes - 1098R, 1198S, R1, ZX-10, CBR1000RR - who cares if buyers would cross shop or not." ... At this point you are protesting WAY too much - "There are no comparable bikes" - ahhh yea there are, every other 1000cc race bike. "Watch the MotoGP to see how good it is" - ahhh, yea - are you serious? Are they still racing 990cc in MotoGP? This is road version of the previous standard MotoGP bike and as such is not only different, but should have no problem being compared to other road bikes. You seem to want this bike to be a collectors item and have a value that transcends function, purely by virtue of it's rarity and price - avoiding any comparisons of function or ability with it's peers (and yes, EVERY 1000cc bike is a peer once the flag drops metaphorically). The odd thing here is that I am sure it's an EXCELLENT bike - Ducati (well a dealer) pays me on a regular basis and I am a HUGE fan of their bikes. Why is it so hard for you to accept that real world people would love to see real world comparisons of this extremely expensive bike, that you admit is the most track focused production bike? Why all the wriggling, excuses and avoidance?
Christos... - times... d16 RR  April 1, 2009 09:10 AM
Times are relevant,you want to know where that extra money is going... I for one would want to know that it better be faster than what else is out on the market. Why,cuz im shelling out a ton of money for it thats why. How upset would you be if you got dusted by a cbr 1000 at a set of lights? I know i would be. Most of the people that buy the bike do so to just leave it in pool table room as a show piece anyhow. Sad when you see rare or desirable bikes /cars an they arent used for what they were meant for. They were Made to ride,not hide... Driven not hidden. Wouldnt mind knowing how fast it goes down the quarter either....
Superlight - D16RR  April 1, 2009 07:17 AM
OK, let's put the D16RR up against its obvious competitors on a racetrack. Uh-h-h, which bikes might that be, since no other manufacturer has a bike like this for sale? Like I said earlier, a comparison to the R1s, GSX-Rs, CBR1000RRs and the like is rather pointless, since those are all high-volume and production-based. Compare the 1098R to those if you wish. The comparo you want is academic, not something of any value to someone buying a D16RR.
Superlight - D16RR  April 1, 2009 06:33 AM
You want a valid track comparison with other bikes similar to the Ducati? Lap times are paramount; all the rest is just talk. Tune in this weekend for the first MotoGP race of the season. The Japanese makers will be there in force against this small, Italian builder of sportbikes. That's the real proving ground for this type machine. Against more pedestrian bikes, like a comparison between a Ferrari F430 Scuderia and a ZR1 Corvette, it really doesn't matter to the Ferrari buyer how the Corvette performs, as the Vette would never be on his/her consideration list anyway.
Racer1 - Exactly..  April 1, 2009 04:46 AM
"The RR is more track-focused than any other production machine, bar none". Which is why a track comparison to other track focused production bikes would be relevant and interesting. Who cares who is buying it and why? It still needs to be able to deliver on it's extremely expensive promise or the Emperor has no clothes.
Superlight - D16RR  March 31, 2009 10:28 PM
OK, it might be interesting to see a knock-down, drag-out track comparo among several more affordable sportbikes and this D16RR, but what would it prove in the end? No RR buyer would even consider a standard Ducati, let alone a garden-variety Japanese bike - part of this purchase is the rarity/exclusivity factor. If such a comparison were done I think you would see the real advantages of the RR; the harder this bike were pushed on the track by an experienced rider, the better it will show. The RR is more track-focused than any other production machine, bar none.
MIck - Desmosedeci  March 31, 2009 08:20 PM
I love the idea of the Desmosedeci but I would love to see how it would perform in the Master Bike Test with the 2009 Yamaha R1 and the Aprilia RSV4. Hard Data, lap times ,HP, Torque, 60-80, 80-100, 100-140 times. There's nothing better than smoking that high dollar bike on something that costs a fouth the price. Big Grins when you do that.
Chuckie - Superlight, Leo, Racer1  March 31, 2009 08:06 PM
Gee, Racer1 it sounds like to me a couple elitists posers are afraid to find out that their wet dream (D16RR) may not be as wet as they think! Not only would I want to know how a 1098R or 1198S runs against it I would also like to see any one of the 1000cc I-4s run against it. After all, if this bike is like a Ferrari being the best of the best in all then nobody should have a problem or have trouble understanding the need for seeing a shoot out. I could see maybe if Racer1 wanted to see which is faster at the track, a Honda Fury or a Victory Vegas being odd and unnecessary but wanting to compare race replicas to other race replicas at the track is natural.
Racer1 - OK - Maybe it's me...  March 31, 2009 06:52 PM
I guess that for me, sports and racing motorcycles are machines which I judge purely on function. The purpose of a race bike is to get around a track as fast as possible. Every feature of that machine - chassis, engine, aerodynamics, brakes, etc. has one goal in mind - to improve performance - and performance of a racing motorcycle is evaluated by lap times. If a Desmosedici can't beat it's $60,000 less stable mate around a race track, by what standard are you judging it to be "better"? There IS no other standard for a racing motorcycle.. That is my take on the situation, however after reading the posts here, I gather I am in the minority and clearly there is something I am not getting. It must be the Rolex watch syndrome - it doesn't tell the time any better than any other watch, but it is made with expensive components, has a rarity value and is therefore collectible. I'm really not trying to be ornery here, I suppose I need to not judge everything by function and accept that motorcycles, like everything else, can be cosseted collector's items with a value that transcends their abilities.
Superlight - D16RR  March 31, 2009 05:09 PM
OK, Racer1, I read your comments but still don't understand why you think its important for us to know which Ducati is the fastest around a track. No one who actually buys a D16RR will ever cross-shop an 1198S, or even a 1098R, as they are very different machines. The purpose of the D16RR is for Ducati to make marketing statements about their brand: - We are the manufacturer most involved in performance motorcycles - Our brand is like Ferrari and Lamborghini in cars - the best you can buy - You can buy what we race Not a bad PR story for Ducati. Wonder why the Japanese makers don't offer something similar?
Leo - Lap Times? Who Cares?  March 31, 2009 01:43 PM
The same reason Ferrari chooses to make the best supercars in the world, Enzo, F50, F40, because they are the best at it. Shut up people!
Racer1 - Lap times  March 31, 2009 07:28 AM
Well, I care for one! I actually said "average racer" not average rider - obvious it's irrelevant how an average road rider would get around the track on these two bikes. Any race replica's natural habitat is at the track, so it's only reasonable to want to know if it actually performs there any better than its sibling that is $60,000 less expensive! On the road it has bragging rights, a certain flair, looks and sounds badass. but it's abilities are ridiculously hobbled - like ALL the race rep liter bikes. I instruct at a Ducati dealer's track days (and race a Superstock R6) and they aren't getting anywhere NEAR a Desmosedici. We have the 1198s in now, although I have yet to ride one - I rode 1098s all last season and just love that bike. I am not sure why it's "good sense" to produce a MotoGP replica (apart from making money and PR value) - what exactly IS " the point of the D16RR"? If it's just for posing and bragging rights, I guess I just don't get it. That's why I wanted to know how it really does perform on the track against Ducati's next offering. I think Steve and Adam already have an idea of how their lap times would compare to a well sorted 1198S so I was merely asking for their opinions....
Brian - Desnosedici vs. anything...  March 31, 2009 07:18 AM
I guarantee that a really good rider with a little time to understand that the harder your ride the Desmosedici, the better it gets will be faster on the Desmosedici than any other bike available. Period. Maybe in the hands of an average rider the 1098R or 1198S would be quicker but are we really talking about average here? If I bought a Desmosedici, guaranteed I would ride the hell out of it AND I wouldn't dare pussy-foot around on it. That would be a disservice to its intended purpose not to mention all that would be said about the slow guy on the fastest bike made...
Superlight - Lap times  March 31, 2009 06:14 AM
Really now, who cares if the average rider could circulate faster around race tracks on an 1198S? That's not the point of the D16RR. We should celebrate that Ducati had the good sense to create a high-water- mark sportbike, even though only a few can afford it. A real-McCoy race replica; only Ducati has it.
Racer1 - Lap times?  March 31, 2009 06:00 AM
Hey guys... I would love to see a test - as close to apples to apples as possible, ie. same rider, day, Ducati techs on hand for set up and wrenching - to see the differences in lap times between the 1198S and the Desmosedici. I could be wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that most solid riders would get round faster on the 1198S - just a bit more easy to set up, compliant, forgiving and easier to hook up, etc. Obviously there is a tire issue that would need addressing too... My impression is that the Desmosedici is a more visceral experience, narrower powerband and just not in the same league as a well sorted, torquey, traction controlled 1198S for the average racer (ie. not a MotoGP star). I could be wrong, frequently am, but I'd love to hear your opinion on this.
Tessier - You can still get one  March 31, 2009 04:17 AM
Last time i was at BCM Motorsports they had one on the floor for sale. One truely sick bike!

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