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2010 Harley Dyna Wide Glide First Ride

Friday, October 30, 2009
The first FXDWG Dyna Wide Glide hit the scene in 1993 and quickly became revered for its kicked-out, wide-set front fork legs pitched at a heavy rake, and mini ape-hanger style handlebars. For a production motorcycle, the Wide Glide gained reputation as a hot chopper, especially for a bike
While Dyna models are known as the lightest-handling Harleys  but steering on the 2010 Dyna Wide Glide is heavy and turn-in slow on sharp turns.
The 2010 Dyna Wide Glide gets its name from its wide-spaced forks and exposed dual rear shocks.
straight from the factory. Over the years, its styling remained staid, but it did see internal changes as the Harley engine evolved from the Blockhead to the TC 88 to its present iteration, the TC 96. Its gearbox has also been updated from a five to six-speed unit, but the motorcycle’s overall appearance fluctuated little.
 
The Wide Glide was a popular model up until its discontinuation in 2009, a move that surprised many. Before it disappeared from the Harley-Davidson production line, it was released as a 2008 105th Anniversary model with special two-tone paint and anniversary badging. But the bike still featured recognizable Wide Glide traits, like tall, 1.25-inch mini ape-hanger style handlebars, a Bobtail rear fender, and staggered shorty dual exhausts.
 
After a year’s absence, the Wide Glide returns as one of four new or revised models introduced in the standard 2010 production line. Immediately the Harley purists dismissed it for not looking like the previous Wide Glides. For 2010, the new Wide Glide comes with a chopped rear fender and a beefed-up back end with a 180mm rear tire, and the staggered shortys have been ditched for Tommy Gun 2-1-2 exhausts. The tall bars are lower and set wider, and the bike overall sits a little lower and its demeanor is a little darker.
 
New Harley badging on the tank  internal wiring on the bars  and a lack of instruments cluttering up the handlebar keep the front of the 10 Wide Glide tidy.
New Harley badging on the tank, internal wiring, and a lack of instruments cluttering up the handlebar keep the front of the 2010 Wide Glide nice and tidy.
The 2010 Wide Glide has the marquee wide-spaced fork, with 49mm tubes set out at a rake of 34-degrees. On the backside, dual exposed rear shocks are standard Dyna fare. But the rear suspension has been lowered which allowed the seat height to be dropped two inches to 25.5 in. and cosmetically the shocks have new ‘whisky cup’ style top caps.
 
One of Harley-Davidson’s recent trends has been offering bikes with blacked-out trim, and the Wide Glide is no exception. Giving the wheels the black powder coat treatment make the 40 spokes on the laced wheels stand out more. The engine is also powder coated black which accentuates the machined cylinder fins. The primary has a black, matte finish that’s offset by chrome-plated rocker and derby covers. The battery box likewise is black except for a swath of chrome trim imprinted with the Wide Glide moniker, and small details like the fender mounts, mirrors, bar clamps and control housings are also blacked out.

The 2010 Wide Glide’s 1.25-inch drag-style handlebars are a big change from the mini apes of old. The internal-wiring and lack of instrumentation keeps the look of the bars clean and uncluttered. The bars do sit on 4-inch risers, so a rider’s arms are up and at the ready. But with its lower suspension, lower seat height, and sportier handlebars, the new Wide Glide relinquishes some of its chopper-based roots.

The Twin Cam 96 engine continues to provide the punch for the 2010 Dyna Wide Glide. Rubber mounting helps keep the vibes in check, but a healthy amount is still evident in the seat and bars at idle. When the TC 96 was introduced in 2007, lighter pistons and lighter, shorter connecting rods were used in comparison to the TC 88 it replaced to reduce reciprocating mass and make for a smoother running engine. This holds true at cruising speeds on the new Wide Glide, but at low revs and while idling at stop lights, the bike has a familiar shake to it.
 
The pulse of the Wide Glide is provided by a 1584cc  air-cooled Twin Cam 96 engine. Tommy Gun 2-1-2 exhausts replace the dual staggered shorty pipes of old and emit a more docile exhaust note at speed.
The Twin Cam 96 is the same engine used in the 2008 Wide Glide, but the Tommy Gun 2-1-2 exhausts are new.
The Wide Glide’s TC 96 measures out at the same 3.75 X 4.38 in. bore/stroke and has the same compression ratio of 9.2:1 as the Electra Glide Ultra Classic that we dynoed recently, but its claimed 92 ft-lb of max torque is dialed in to come in 500 rpm earlier in the rev range. The initial hit isn’t going to win any drag races, but when it approaches its peak torque at 3000 rpm, there’s plenty of usable mid-range power. The rear wheel torque numbers we got from the last TC 96 we dynoed fall far short of the proclaimed 92 lb-ft though, as the Mickey Cohen Motorsports dyno registered an output of 73.11 lb-ft @ 35000 rpm on the 2009 Ultra Classic. I’d estimate the Wide Glide to be about in the same range, only tuned to come on a little earlier.

The engine’s performance does get a boost from its lively and precise throttle response and progressive clutch engagement. Clutch pull is light and rider-friendly, allowing for positive gear selection as you run up and down H-D’s proprietary 6-speed Cruise Drive Transmission. Gearing is fairly standard, with first gear wide enough to take riders up to about 45 mph, while second tops out in the 70 mph range. Fifth gear is nice and wide, and had plenty to give even up top. As I traveled across the Mojave Desert on I-15 headed to Vegas, I often found myself maximizing fifth at 85-90 mph because I liked the roll-on at high rpm more than the slower build up of sixth gear at low rpm. The one item I did notice with the Wide Glide’s gearbox is a less-clunky engagement. Fifth gear is now helical cut, and the switch from straight cut gears seems to be paying off in gears that mesh more quietly.

The other area I noticed a big change is exhaust sound. You could really hear and feel the old staggered dual shorty pipes, but the new Tommy Gun 2-1-2 exhausts offer a milder tone coming from its dual mufflers. The pipes look great, with a slotted heat shield over the rear header that adds to its sporty styling chops. But the newest version of the WG has to be the most politically-correct Glide yet, seeing how H-D has the transmission sorted out to the point where its clunky shifting is getting much smoother and its pipes are fairly quiet at speed.

A wide-spaced fork gives the Wide Glide its name and looks sharp coming at ya!
The 2010 Dyna Wide Glide has a low 25.5-in. seat height and its feet and hand controls are mounted far forward, leaving plenty of room to stretch out your legs and arms.
Hiking a leg over the bike for the first time, it feels low to the ground. At six-feet-tall, I am able to firmly plant both feet flat on the ground. The forward-mounted foot controls allow for a comfortable stretch of my legs, and the bar placement leaves hands wide, arms up and extended. The motorcycle has a low center of gravity and the low profile looks cool, but ground clearance is limited as I scraped the lower frame rails going over speed bumps.

Its low profile, long rake, tall front tire, and 68.3-inch wheelbase do not add up to a very agile bike. The pegs scrape extremely easy, and on occasion I even ground the end of the pipes. Turn-in is slow and steering isn't light in sharp turns. It can roll through a sweeper powerfully and planted at 80 mph, but on tight radiuses and switchbacks, turn-in is slow and the bike requires a wide arc.

Riding from L.A. to Vegas, I was worried that I’d tax the suspension over hard bumps, but dual rear shocks and the fork were better than expected. Despite being burdened with my 215 lbs and 35-lb backpack of camera equipment, laptop, power plugs, and clothes, there were only a couple of occasions where I met the end of the short travel on the less-than-smooth highway between Vegas and L.A. The front fork worked well to keep the 21-inch tall, narrow wheel planted, with only an occasional skip over harder bumps.
 
And while the suspension receives a passing grade, the braking power of the 2010 Wide Glide isn't the best. I could hear a pneumatic whir every time I pulled in the lever of the front brake. The 4-piston caliper on the single front disc doesn’t have good bite, but it did save me once when the truck ahead of me came to an abrupt stop. The feel on the rear isn’t as bad, but the overall stopping power is light for a bike that weighs in dry at a claimed 647 lbs.

Instrumentation is minimal on the 2010 Wide Glide. Besides its tank-mounted speedo and ignition switch  its a bare-bones arrangement.
Instrumentation is minimal on the 2010 Wide Glide. Besides its tank-mounted speedo and ignition switch, it's a bare-bones arrangement. At least there's a fuel gauge!
Instrumentation on the ’10 Wide Glide is minimal. There’s a single, 4-inch, tank-mounted analog speedo with a small digital odometer winder and a console-mounted ignition switch, but that’s it. It includes a sixth gear indicator, but the light is small and not very bright which makes it difficult to see in full sunlight. It does have a fuel gauge on top of the faux left gas cap, which is a bonus, and its self-cancelling turn signals are much appreciated. On the backside, it has small, bullet-shaped taillights that are multi-functional turn/tail/running lamps that integrate cleanly into the bike’s styling.

Traveling back from Vegas, a Santa Ana headwind with gusts up to 50 mph was a good workout for my biceps as I held on against the windblast that thumped me mid-chest and tried to push me off the bike. Coming across the Mojave Desert where there are long stretches without a gas station around made fuel management a primary concern. The 2010 Dyna Wide Glide has a tank capacity of 4.7 gallons, but plan on frequent stops on long rides. I used 19.60 gallons of gas to travel 716 miles for an average of 36.55 mpg, but the fuel gauge read about a quarter-of-a-tank after only 100 miles.

My last grievance with the new Wide Glide is the placement of its kickstand. Wearing boots with reinforced toes, it’s difficult to deploy. It’s tucked in underneath the wide primary and I usually had to look directly at it to get it kicked down.
The Wide Glide we tested had the Vivid Black with Flames color combo that looked street-savvy with the addition of the small, black sissy bar on the back. The Harley Orange flames streak down the tank while the fenders are color-
Lean  baby lean. As much as I wanted to tip it in  the bike still required a big arc in sharp turns.
The 2010 Dyna Wide Glide might not have the sweeping changes The Motor Company needs to get it back on track, but it does demonstrate that they are capable of change.
matched to the black of the tank and frame. A lowered suspension, lower seat height, new pipes and new bars shift the new Glide into power cruiser territory more so than the chopper-influenced styling of the old bike. Being a Harley, the new Wide Glide is primed for customization, as 21 categories of Genuine Motor Accessories popped up when I searched.

It’s $14,499 MSRP is a much more attractive selling point than the $17,620 price tag of the 2008 105th Anniversary Wide Glide and matches up favorably to the $16,899 price point of rival Victory Motorcycles’s air-cooled V-Twin cruiser, the Vegas. It’s still more than comparable metric V-Twins, as the Vulcan 1700 Classic lists for $12,999 while Star Motorcycles’ Road Star is even more economical at $12,390.
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2010 H-D Dyna Wide Glide Specs
The 2010 Dyna Wide Glide has a 49mm fork and bars that sit on a 4-inch riser.
Engine
Air-cooled, Twin Cam 96
Pushrod-operated, overhead valves with hydraulic, self-adjusting lifters; two valves per cylinder
Displacement - 1584cc
Bore/Stroke - 3.75 X 4.38 in.
Compression Ratio - 9.2:1
Torque (claimed) - 92 ft-lb @ 3000 rpm
Fueling - Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection
Transmission - 6-Speed Cruise Drive
Primary Drive - Chain,34/46 ratio
Final Drive - Belt
Wheels
Front 21 in. /Rear 17 in. Black, Laced Steel w/ 40 spokes 
Tire Size
Front 80/90-21 54V
Rear 180/60B17 75V
Brakes
4-piston front and 2-piston torque-free floating rear
Lean Angle - 28.4 / 31.9 degrees
Exhaust - Chrome 2-1-2 Tommy Gun exhaust
Dimensions
Length - 94 in.
Seat Height (laden) - 25.5 in.
Ground Clearance - 4.2 in.
Rake Steering Head - 34 degrees
Trail - 5.2 in.
Wheelbase - 68.3 in.
Fuel Capacity - 4.7 gal.
Oil Capacity - 3 quarts
Weight (claimed, dry) - 647 lbs

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Comments
WG103   October 11, 2014 08:22 AM
Well it has been exactly 5 years since this review of the Wide Glide and the model is still selling strong with just the new 103ci engine and standard ABS for running upgrades. I purchased a new 2014 Wide glide 3 months ago and have put 4,500 miles on it since and can say I am enjoying this bike very much. My previous motorcycles were a Triumph and a few Hondas before that. To all those who commented that Harley-Davidson would be out of business by now time has proven you dead wrong. Harley-Davidson alone now owns 54% of the American motorcycle market leaving all the other manufacturers combined to scrap for the left over 46%. I laugh when I read comments about Harley riders dressing like "pirates" of course these same metric riders dress like Power Rangers riding loud whining sportbikes on the street at 3 times the legal speed limit (way beyond their skill level) and claiming it's Harley riders that are "pissing everyone else off." To all those that know better the Wide Glide cruises at 60mph at a comfortable 2,200rpm all day long and looks great doing it. I wouldn't drive a cramped uncomfortable F-1 race car on the street so why would I buy a race bike to ride on the street?
CC Coleman -Nice Dyna  December 18, 2010 01:55 AM
I do not think HD was thinking when it bought Buell and MV Augusta. Dealers only put Buells on the floor because they had to. MV was boutique and invisible to the US market and still is.

HD should start looking ahead at technology while keeping their styling edge. I hope they invest in the future. I wish that someday they will embrace a Sportsbike line as well using new technology in their cruisers. Standards and Sportsbikes will bring customer loyality in youth.

Even the VRod is getting old with little advancement. HD dealerships will rebel (unless profits go through the roof) if they are forced to put Hyundai quality Hyosung type junk on the floor next to their real HDs.
Crash -True Rider  December 2, 2010 04:37 PM
I am a bike fanatic. I think all bikes have there own story to tell and are unique there own way. I have three bikes a suzuki katana, honda shadow and an Harley Davidson. I am looking to purchase another Harley soon I really admire them and love the ride. Even though I love all bikes I have to say Harley is by far my favorite. But, this is just my opinion. I know that a true rider dont care what he is ridding as long as you get to ride. Thats what it is all about getting out and ridding and making a few friends on the way.
Bob -Got to Follow the New Leader  September 21, 2010 04:23 PM
If you want motorcycles that are fast, reliable, low maintenance, cheap, attract girls, or just plain cool, buy Japanese, Italian, Spanish, German, or British. If you want slow, oil leaking, high maintenance, over priced, "hey look at me I've got low self-esteem that's why I rev my engine at traffic lights", then buy a Harley.

Follow the new leader,..he's the guy making that cloud of oil smoke on a Harley.
Madrider -Its a chopper baby...  September 20, 2010 02:52 PM
Well, Im riding '96 Intruder vs800 and love it. It is possible that I will switch to Dyna. Runs great, looks great - suits my needs. It was very educating for me having a chance to ride CBR600, KTM 535, couple of H-D bikes. Now I now what I like and what I don't. I like motorcycles and don't like when someone underestimates (or worse) given motorcycle group. Every bike has its purpose. I believe that H-D is in fact very stimulating to motorcycle world. Why I can hear almost everywhere complaints about H-D old technology and not a single word about Enfields? Ride safe , have fun and let the others have their fun too.
joe -long rider  September 20, 2010 10:40 AM
Were the hell does all the references to pirates come from? I've never seen a rider with a peg-leg, eye patch, or parrot on their shoulder. Not sure pirates wore leather jackets, helmets, or chaps either. Most of the CROTCH-ROCKETEERS look more like they are living little fantasies in which they need to wear the lime green leather scuba suits like their heroes on the track.
Craig in Jersey -wide glide  August 21, 2010 12:20 PM
had a 2001 wide glide for ten years, and put 51 k miles on it.....sold it Thursday and bought a 2010 with 300 miles on it from the dealer yesterday. no, its not the same as the 2001. but why would i want it to be? i didn't leave that bike stock, and i'm not leaving this one stock either. however, its not like i look at it and think that i need to do paint, new fenders, different front end, etc....the basic bones of the bike stay....the flames are great, unreal front end, love the cool new rear fender.....gonna put on some vance and hines straight shots, 18 inch apes, and the same style mustang seat i had on my old one....if you love everything about a model except pipes, bars and the seat......you love it....those items are MEANT to come off....do i hate spending the money? sure....but there is nothing like having a bike that nobody else has....i'm not saying its custom.....but once you get it the way you like it, its unique.....great looking bike, handles great...can't wait to get her set up just how i love it
WINGSofGold -What I think 1st ride.  July 30, 2010 09:27 AM
I have a Honda Golden wing. GOT 30,000 miles on it.
I rode my neighbors 2010DYNA and it was fun. I like the way you sit.I hated THE PIPES. He told me new pipes are comming. The power was good on hills a ,little hot on my legs at long RED LIGHTS--hate-lights-\But it was 87 that day. I took the bike on the Highway and it was smooth after 3rd gear and 70mph. The bike was stock and did not have a Wind sheild and I was being beat by the wind. But some like it that way.I was amazed how much he paid for this new HD and still had to put Pipes on it and get it tuned. I do like it,but think its just needs to be more for the price. My neighbors is looking at after market parts and looks like he will put 4,000 EXTRA on this bike with ALL THE parts. I did like the trany shifting was smooth motor a bit rough 1-2-3 but you soon forget,it. I give it a B- The pipes really did suck.
I rode it for a close to a hour before my old butt couldnt take it,I think he was getting a better seat also. MMMM? O WELL ITS A HARLEY RIGHT?
m109r1800 -old school cool but  July 30, 2010 09:06 AM
I agree on HD being over priced, but a HD is a HD.They have been for years. I do agree,that old school motors need to go. I think to many POT heads are making Harleys. I would like to see a better motor,and then they will be back on top.The old school motor can be taken apart the easy and redone.This makes people that like to fix things to a advantage. I think Harleys are sexy. Love the OLD SCHOOL big fenders ,white and red paint . BUT 26,000 for a AIR COOL BIKE. ITS A NAME THING. I do like Harley folks down to earth,good old folks,but the BORN TO BE WILD, music got to go.There isnt nothing wild about 60 Horse power or a bit more,but THE PERSON WHO IS ON THE BIKE.THAT MAKE IT, --WILD---
MHChilds -2010 Dyna Wide Glide  July 29, 2010 04:11 PM
I purchased a 2010 FXDWG in May of this year. I have about 5000 miles on it and I love this machine. In June, I road From Central Florida to Virginia going up the Blue Ridge Parkway, over into West Virginia. We did 7 States 2400 miles in 7 days. I have small bags so I loaded a bag and jacket on the back seat with a net. Not one issue with the bike, can't say the same for my butt. The seat was very uncomfortable the first 5 day but I broke it in like a pair of new shoes. I love the bike, very comfortable stance no back pain, and I’m an old man. If you are looking at this bike, ride and you will buy it. Pros, comfortable posture, beautiful, runs cool, handles like sport bike. cons, too quiet, seat could be better, black paint scratches easily.Exhaust drags a little on real sharp, note real sharp right turns.
snickbob -Wide Glide Owner Not Happy With Harley  July 17, 2010 05:45 AM
I have had my 2010 Wide Glide for four weeks now have put 800 miles on it. This is my first Harley and I love it. What I do not like is the sound "sounds like a frigging Honda"! Its so quiet i can hardly hear when to shift gears. I ordered new Rush slip on pipes four weeks ago at Brandts Wabash,IN the day i bought the bike. STILL no pipes. If Harley Davidson ever wants to sell me another one they had better send the LOUD PIPES already on. Four darn weeks wait on any part is just pis poor service.
Lady Rider in Canada -NICE BIKE  June 25, 2010 12:57 PM
I was kind of hoping all these comments would be more so about the actual bike model than hate mail about an individual...I'm in the market for a new bike and was looking into the wide glides and the super glides...I just want reviews of the bikes...not who rides what blah blah blah...Thanks for the review.
popz -ride free  June 21, 2010 04:53 PM
I read alot of these and agree with most. I own a 2010 wide glide and tho it has it's issues, they are small compared to what I like in the bike. A motorcycle should be a work of art to the person riding it no matter what the make is. When the rider goes out, it should be for he/herself, and not to impress anyone. Ride safe all !!!
Bestoink Dooley -I like it. a lot.  April 27, 2010 11:49 AM
Great looking bike. I'd like to have one. I love the cross bones too.
JACK DANIELS 86 -im a young buck  March 26, 2010 04:36 AM
ive been riding for 5yrs and started with metric bikes. my first bike ever was a honda vfour 500. they were all good but there is nothing like the solid build of my harleys. i got a sportster to try it out. it sucked, short on power and comfort. but my 2010 wide glide is great. it came stock with all the comfort stuff i needed and the power is just right for the way i ride. and its freaking tought. i was fixing busted plastic stuff on my suzuki all the time. one girl leaned on my turn signal and snapped it. i dont get all the hate. i love all bikes period. whats that? you got a yamaha 250. keep it on two wheels and enjoy the ride.
arrowrod -Old Guy  March 17, 2010 05:27 AM
This is a review of a Harley. An old man's bike. We just want to putt along. I am disappointed with the review. When I go the dealer, they are pushing the Stage 1 - 2 and 3 modifications. Shouldn't this review have those mods? What about the heat? This guy rode to Las Vegas and not a peep. From what I have read, I need an oil cooler, synthetic oil, wide range Oxygen sensor, 110 inch kit and some load exhaust pipe; which I believe gets me 80 horsepower and a voided warranty. Oh, I forgot the after market PCM or the Screaming Eagle download, which also invalidates the warranty. Sheesh....
Bobcat31467 -passing thru, x2468, skip, true biker, and the rest of you Commies  March 3, 2010 08:30 AM
You all sit here and spew your venom about the attitudes and stereotypical looks and behaviors of individuals that ride Harleys. Yet fail to look at the inmature, childish, anti-everything that is Harley gibbirish that you allow to roll out of your cock holsters. All the while crying about the economy, he didn't wave or Harleys guys are haters, blah, blah, blah, but you buy what you consider a more advanced piece of 440 japanese steel, and low grade aluminum that wont even polish nicely, while you bitch about our American economy going to hell. I dont care if Ford, Chevy and or Harleys are dinosaurs or in your not so humble opinions "junk". I along with all my pirate buddies will still buy these beat up, run down, outdated, gutless (you guys would know about gutless)wonders for the fact that we are AMERICANS, and we will die for this Country or go broke making business mistakes, and or go broke buying these items when we can't afford them, or even if we know they are over priced and under developed (kinda like your mentalities) because if this great land we call home is to ever have a chance of reviving from the economical disaster that you Jap nipendendo buying pricks have put us in then we need to sink our AMERICAN dollars into AMERICAN built products. And I guess for me the fact that I am doing so makes me not want to wave at lame assholes like yourselves as you go blowing (another thing you do so well)by is because I am doing what I can to support our Great Country and you are a fu**ing sellout that whines about everything and does nothing to change anything. So go buy your Jap crap and buy a Jap made dildo and stick it on your seat. Then you too can have the vibrations between your legs, but you still wont have the American Pride I feel on my American Iron because I am helping my country instead of selling out. You might as well have flown one of these jumbos into the Twin Towers yourselves you sell out under cover Commies. Peace!! God speed and save our great land. Thanks to those fighting for our freedoms so yes even you pricks can ride your Jap crap.
DJM -Lots of whiners who wish they had a Harley on here  February 26, 2010 07:44 PM
The new Wide Glide looks like ass. I'd rather have a SuperGlide than that thing.
Anyhow... to all the HARLEY HATERS listen up girls....
Quit crying about not having a Harley and either get one or shut your pole hole.
For all your bitchin' like little girls, you must be metric riders or don't even ride. Keep in mind all the jap bike manufacturers have been trying to make their motorcycles look like Harley Davidsons for YEARS now. Look at the evolution since the late 80's.
It's almost comical how bad they are trying to rip off Harleys.
So....When you grow a set o'balls and buy a Harley Davidson Motor Cycle or IF your wife LETS you get one, then come back and give your opinion. Otherwise it's obvious you nutless little peckers are all just hatin' out of jealousy that you either don't ride, or your bike wishes it was a Harley.
Til' then, I got your pirate hat for ya you f*kn weener. Yeah that's right. Weener.
Three Tooth -Me-So-Harley  February 23, 2010 12:49 AM
How ya'll doin? I love my hawg..der..duu-duh-hiccup. Scus-me.
Oh, Gosh. I ride a Harley, so should I go out and jsut burned it and
then "off" myself. Aw mean, schucks, I didn't knowed just how horrible
it was to owned one-der-didly-der-der!

Rode metrics from 1985 - 2005. Every now and then we'd make fun of
"Hardley" riders and their bikes. I've ridden a Harley since 2005 and I haven't heard ONE joke or negative comment about metric riders. NOT ONE. It appears Harley riders don't care what you ride, but metric riders certainly do.

CavScoutSniper -Old Killer  February 13, 2010 09:21 PM
How long has Harley-Davidson been building motorcycles? Honda? Kawasaki? Suzuki? Yamaha? Huh. Where was Harley during WWII? Where were the Japanese builders? I'll stick with my Harley.

LuckyLindy -Read HD Breeze  February 1, 2010 02:49 PM
If you want to understand the big picture, read HD Breeze's comments. The guy is spot on. Some observations: Why are there so many Harley haters commenting on an article about a specific Harley model? If you don't like Harley, why would you spend time reading this article and then bash it? Lumping everybody into the same category is irresponsible and displays your own ignorance. Motorcycle riders come from all walks of life, levels of education, socio-economic backgrounds, etc. You can't make an accurate statement saying all these so and so riders are this way and these riders are that way. Why do people have to make such negative comments about other people's rides? Would you do that to somebody's face at the biker cafe? I seriously doubt that. What do all of these people care so much about what somebody else is riding? Isn't it enough that we are riding, period? From many boards comments, it appears that only non Harley riding people behave themselves at all times. My 25 years of riding experience would say otherwise. What is this fixation with pirates and chaps? Pirates never wore leather jackets and chaps as far as I know. Leather has been part of motorcycle garb since day one and lately textiles have made great progress as well. So the cut off sleeve guy gets made fun of but when he wears a leather jacket, he gets made fun of but the sport bike guys in full brightly colored leathers get a pass even when there are no race tracks around? It's ok to have Joe Rocket or Icon patches but not H-D? Motorcycle manufacturers have had their own line up of riding gear since the early 1900's. Just look at the old black and white photos, Indian, Flying Merkel, Excelsior Henderson, etc. All the Japanese and European brands have theirs too and it's always been that way. You just see a lot more H-D because you live in the US and big surprise, there are a lot of Harley enthusiasts. Most people are proud of their ride which is only natural. Either way, I think it's a good idea to have either leather or textile on and a good helmet and I don't care what other people wear or how they look as long as they aren't endangering me. A lot of people on this board should quit worrying about what the other guy is doing and if they don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it.
jim -lol  January 28, 2010 03:17 PM
not everyone who rides a harley is into the leather chaps and everything harley, half you people here talking sh*t probably have never sat on a bike in your life. A real motorcycle rider couldnt give a flying fu*k what you ride.
FL -Its all about soul  January 26, 2010 11:21 AM
If you dont understand, I cant explain it. Harley has a certain soul about them. The only way you ever get connected to it is to own one.
jr -president  January 22, 2010 03:41 PM
I can only thnk that all the HD haters are the same kids that are allowing this country to go down the toilet.
I mean whoever heard of cheering for a cop giving a ticket.

Who ever heard of someone caring what anyone esle was doig.
this whole pirate thing must be some sort of latent homophobic lust they have. Not sure if it is for pirates or other men.
Who cares what anyone else is riding just that they are riding. Who cares if they want to spend more money on something??!!!
Last but not least unless I am way out there every metric bike is being made to look as much like a Harley as they can without being a Harley. the only thing they seem not to be able to copy is the sound!
Keep rding and stop the hate!
L -Harley sucks  January 22, 2010 12:39 PM
Harley Hillbillies have the loud pipes to drowned out the whistling sound of the wind blowing across the 3 teeth they have left in their thick skulls.
StreetFighterJoe -PS--XR1200  December 14, 2009 09:20 AM
Oh--PS---If you ever wanted a Harley, but don't like cruisers, the new XR1200 is worth checking out. It's a flat track race bike that's street legal. A buddy of mine has one and he runs circles around me. He rode a KTM sportbike but traded it in for the XR--he loves it.
StreetFighterJoe -Harley's..... and everybody else  December 14, 2009 09:19 AM
You guys are all missing the point, Harley's and choppers in general, are simply steel horses. It's a philosophy in steel that we ride, and the motorcycle simply is an expression of freedom. Hey, if your philosophy is to ride a red missile like the Honda CBR1000RR, more power too you! Ride on man! I'm not going to cut your ride down---it's a beautiful bike for it's purpose. When I go out to the bars at night on my chopper with a flying skull in flames on my tank,it's a statement about mortality, man. "Do not go gently into that dark night", and that crap. It's just a beautiful ride. Everybody loves their bike. What good is it to cut someone's ride down, unless you're insecure about your own bike. To each his own.
Newbie HD Fan -2010 Wide Glide  November 29, 2009 08:11 PM
Say what you want. Like what you like. Spend your money the way you see best. I love the look of the new 2010 Wide Glide. The black with the flames and blacked out motor looks hot. Mine will be ready for pickup tomorrow. The vance and Hines side shot exhaust will be on her tomorrow. I got mine from Ray Price Harley in Raleigh,NC. I'll let you know how it goes after I pick her up. Keep your bike upright with both feet on the ground.
einstein -Tony - agreed  November 29, 2009 01:58 PM
My gripe is with the factory and riders who continually tell me I'm nothing unless I ride a Harley - "you mean I'm nothing if I don't ride the most technologically challenged,heaviest,least powerful and evil handling motorcycle made today?, what?". Also the perception of being a badarse if you ride a hog is just more than a little bit humorous to me, it's sort of like the equivalent of the evil automobile street gangs cruising around in mildly modded but very loud Civic. You wonder if they get that anyone who knows anything about cars knows a Civic, although admirable transportation barely qualifies as a showcase to your obviously challenged manhood. THAT'S they way most of us who grew up on two wheels and still ride everywhere on and off the road look at these testaments to insecurity who not coincidentally look a lot like pirates. Please guys give up trying to convert us, much of the time you are talking to someone who may have been riding before you were born and actually appreciates the feel of a great handling and powerful motorcycle, without the attitude.
Tony -Choices  November 25, 2009 01:03 PM
riders chose to ride what ever floats their boat. personal choice rules the day. enjoy the ride, two wheels and an open road, does it get any better?
Pool -HD o HD  November 25, 2009 02:32 AM
Ride V-Max or Triumph...thats the real BIKE
Observer -HD  November 23, 2009 08:57 AM
Right on!!! HD makes a 25 grand 900 lb boat anchor. Harley riders really don't care about technology. They sucker for the "lifestyle" crap. They like to put loud exhaust on them because they think that is cool. All they are doing is pissing everybody off and making a ass out of themselves. I love to sit on my front porch with a few of my neighbors in the summer. We live on a busy street and the harley guys come cruising by dressed up like a bunch of clowns with there loud pipes and ape hangers. Man we just sit there and laugh our ass off. Of course the HD dealers love these clowns because they buy into all the HD crap. The dealers make a lot of money from these morons buying ash trays,belt buckles, do rags, t shirts and don't forget a stock harley only has about 65 horsepower. The dealers make a fortune selling them kits to get the horsepower up so they can at least get them up to 70 mph on the highway. HD will never change there bike line as long as these morons keep buying them. These guys got HD decals stuck on there car windows and HD signs on there garages.
GB -Einstein  November 20, 2009 01:20 PM
ride a Victory dude.
Einstein -Stop the mediocrity  November 20, 2009 01:11 PM
15 grand for a 700lb boat anchor that with 70HP will barely pull that anchor out of the water. Single front disk,air cooling and scraping bike parts at lean angles that would only embarrass an automobile. Steel EVERYTHING, making manufacturing costs ridiculously low, almost as low as their R&D budget. Honestly a mockery to those of us who appreciate the hard work and dedication the rest of the world invests in their motorcycles. We here in the US are an embarrassment to motorcycle development, and almost anyone else could do better from the ground up as long as it's not a potato spitting clone. Please America stop the mediocrity.
patch - ride what ya got  November 16, 2009 06:22 AM
had several harley's,ride a 100" evo rev tech motor,6 speed tranny in a jammer pimp daddy rigid roller,springer front end.every one waves,when i ride my kawasaki ninja,less people wave.when i rode my buell no one waved.after 45 years of riding,you wave i wave.got nothing to prove as a biker.road from nh to ak alone.been to sturgis 10 times.riden in every state except hi.hate bikers with a attitude.zip code riders,who truck their dressers if the ride is over 100 miles
Big Ron -Re: HDBreeze - A-HD  November 15, 2009 09:24 PM
Ditto! A-HD there is a multitude of reasons why someone doesnt wave at you and they typically have very little to do with YOU! So get over yourself. I typically ride with the other sportbikes but occasionally we will do a big ride with the cruisers. We all stay together in one big group until we hit the twisties and then the split off and go ahead. We wait for the cruisers on the other side and then continue again as a group. The point being that it is a brotherhood and there is no need for all of this division. Hopefully you will hang around long enough to make it to old age and then your tastes in bikes may change and a cruiser or an ST will be more your speed. Until then keep it between the lines and show a little respect as you get what you give and karma is a mother.
Cheers
HDBreeze -A-HD  November 15, 2009 03:53 PM
What is wrong with you? The people posting on here seemed to have settled down, but I guess that bothered you too much. Motorcycling is a brotherhood, and we all need to stick together regardless of the brand we ride. Too bad if someone didn't wave to you. Get over it! I ride a variety of different brand bikes, and sometimes I wave, but don't get one in return. Who cares! Sometimes I don't wave back, but it's not for any particular reason. There are times when I just don't see an oncoming bike till the last second, other times I'm getting ready to shift, and other times I just don't feel it's safe to have only one hand on the bars. I usually don't wave on very curvy roads or roads that have a lot of potholes, etc. My goal is to show my support of the motorcycling brotherhood all the time, but it's just not going to happen, so I understand if someone doesn't wave back to me. There are always going to be idiots and rude people on the roads, some are on motorcycles and some are driving cars. Judging by A's stupid comments, we can all figure out what the "A" stands for.
A -HD  November 15, 2009 02:19 PM
Harley riders are the few dicks that never sign or wave--even in response to one. A bunch of self-righteous girlie boys who absolutely beg for attention--evidenced by their irritating noise, blingy chrome and easy-entry leather chaps. For the fall collection year, we've have the daring and very 'now' style of a wooly lion cloth with the easy-entry butt chaps. Perfect for a cozy winter ride with the boys.
Bandit -HDBreeze  November 13, 2009 08:51 PM
In 1987, my first street bike was a 73 Harley Super Glide with a weld-on hard tail and an extended front end. I was 17 and happy to be riding. The bike didn't look like much, but it always kicked over, and never leaked a drop of oil. I rode it everywhere and on long trips with my girlfriend for 3 years. One day I was getting a soda in the local Wawa when a lady in a Dodge Caravan backed out of her parking spot and over my baby. By the time I knew what had happened, the woman in the van drove off leaving my bike laying there. The frame was severely bent along with other damage. About a month later, I sold the Super Glide as is for $500. I then bought a 1980 Suzuki GS550 for $450. It was another ratty looking bike and reminded me of something from the Road Warrior, but it was a fun bike and it handled great. I kept that one for about a year and sold it for $300 to buy a really nice 81 Yamaha XS650 Special. It was red and reminded me of a Harley Sportster. I rode that one for 2 years, but it had a bad oil leak at the shifter shaft. Almost everything was replaced on it, but the leak kept coming back. I sold that one to a guy I worked with at a huge loss, but shortly after I bought a 72 Triumph Tiger. That turned out to be the biggest piece of junk ever. The carbs were always giving me problems and it leaked oil everywhere. I needed special wrenches to work on it, and the right side shifting was annoying. Somehow I kept that one till 1992, which is when I bought a brand new Harley Low Rider. I still have that bike, but don't ride it anymore. It had around 90k miles on the odometer before the speedo broke. I rode it for another 2 years after that, but had to park it after hitting a dog in my neighborhood. It was never fixed but it's on my to-do list. It starts and idles fine, but the front end is trashed. Eventually I will make her road worthy again. I have a 2007 Heritage Softail now and it's a great bike. It just turned 37k miles. I still like some of the Japanese bikes, and I race enduro on a KTM and a Yamaha.

Ride safe.
HDBreeze -Woodman West -Sportster models  November 13, 2009 04:18 PM
I actually think Harley has more Sportster models now than ever before. In my opinion, I believe that Harley does have too many models. If I were in charge of Harley, I would get rid of the entire Dyna line. The VROD line would stay the same. For the Sportster line, I would keep the XR1200, the 883 Low, the 1200 Roadster, and add a 650cc model. I would leave the softail line exactly how it is now with the current motor, for the customer that wants something with a classic ride and style. For the touring line, I would leave the styling the way it is, but replace the current motor with 1400cc Revolution VROD motor coupled to a 6-speed tranny. I would blend in the radiator and hide the water lines like Honda did on the Fury. It's just fantasy, but I think it has merit! lol
HDBreeze -For the obsessed Harley haters...  November 13, 2009 02:00 PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. As for me, I own several motorcycles, including Japanese, British and American brands, and I love them all. My favorite is my 2000 Harley-Davidson Road Glide. I purchased it new in September of 1999, and at that time I had a 95" top end kit installed by the dealer, along with Vance & Hines exhaust, a K&N air filter and download. Over the years, I added some chrome and accessories, and recently replaced the V&H slip-ons with Rinehart True Duals. I also installed a Baker DD6 in it back 2002. The first year of owning this bike, the rear rocker box gasket started leaking, but that was fixed under the warranty. Since then, I have logged almost 175,000 miles with no issues or problems of any kind. It has been ridden to Sturgis Bike Week several times, as well as other bike rallies, and has been ridden in 37 different states. It has the older Magnetti-Morelli fuel injection, but rides fine in the higher altitudes and hotter climates. It's not nearly as fast as my sportbikes, but it's not designed to be. I have ridden over 1000
miles in one day where I averaged over 80 mph. I love how smooth and comfortable this bike is, even with the amount of miles it has. Some may say it's "1950's technology", but I say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As far as the cosmetics, the paint still shines nicely, and the original chrome is probably a 6.5 out of 10, which isn't bad based on how many times I was caught in the rain on this bike over the years. I recently bought a 2009 Screamin' Eagle Road Glide, and the handling is vastly improved over my 10 year old Road Glide. The motor is also much quieter and smoother. My plan was to sell my 2000 RG when I bought the 09, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. Harley went through about 8 years of reliability problems and the dreaded oil leaks in the 70's and early 80's, but has been building good reliable bikes since. Prior to my 2000 Road Glide, I had a 1994 Super Glide that had 82,000 miles when I traded it in. That bike was mostly stock, and was just as reliable as my Road Glide. I'm hoping that my new Road Glide will be the same. I can only speak from my own experiences, and other than the way a bike looks, I don't make judgements without at least riding it first. My point being, there are a lot of people on here that have not ridden a Harley or owned a Harley, but post negative and false comments about them. Be honest and real, and don't just jump on the band wagon.
skeeter -Interested Observer  November 13, 2009 06:55 AM
Your statements are based on your oppinion and not on fact. As far as your statement about Harley selling Korean motorcycles is completely wrong. One of the owners of ATK Motorcycle Company also owns several Harley franchises. He will be selling some Korean-made motorcycles that are badged with the ATK logo in some of his dealerships. It has nothing to do with Harley or Harley trying to attract younger customers. Do some research before you talk out of your a**!
A Interested Observer -Riding Guy  November 12, 2009 01:42 PM
You are absolutely right Riding Guy. HD is now working out a deal with ATK and S&T to sell there Korean made bikes in harley dealerships. These are made by Hyosung in Korea and might be assembled in the US. I can't believe HD. There salespeople could not and would not sell Buell so how does HD expect them to sell this crap. HD thinks it will bring a younger buyer into there dealerships. Yea right... What in the hell is wrong with HD. They want to attract younger buyers. Why don't they just design and build a decent motorcycle that will attract younger buyers. The typical harley rider is closed minded as far as HD goes and it is reflected in the posts here. Reading the posts here makes one think that the average HD rider has a 16 year old mentality. HD is sinking and if they can not attract the younger buyers they are out of business. Just look at the new 2010 HD lineup. It is the same old same old. I ride a 2009 Goldwing which is getting long on the tooth but it is light years ahead of anything that HD makes. It will be interesting to see what the HD dealers do with the new line of Korean bikes. Of course the young buyers will have to dress up in the typical harley garb or the harley salespeople will not give them the time of day. That is why the Buell sat and collected dust at harley dealerships. Of course we still should try and keep the harley's on the street. It always gives us a good laugh to watch the local harley guys cruising thru town on there noise makers.
riding guy -b.s.  November 12, 2009 08:30 AM
if Harley was a new company that was just starting in the business of building motorcycles and this was what they offered as their first bike they would be out of business faster than crap thru a goose. But since they have had a 100 years to feed you guys the kool aide, more power to them. Whatever Harley pays Madison Avenue to keep you guys getting wood over nothing new, well Madison Avenue earns every penny of it.
Big Ron -Re: skeeter - Big Ron  November 11, 2009 06:02 PM
A quote from my very observant freind Skeeter: "I agree with you all the way! As far as Skip goes, I was out riding while he was sitting down watching BIKERS ride. He is just another wannabe! lol"

Oh Skeeter, I didnt even catch that one; LMAO! What a deusche bag! He was probably having a carmel latte or a raspberry tea. Perhaps he was really admiring the "pirate outfits" wondering whether they made mens sizes small enough to fit him or if instead he was going to have to go into the womans section.
Cheers
Big Ron -Re: Skip - For Big Ron  November 11, 2009 05:51 PM
Skip, I laughed my a$$ off but that does not change a thing. Special interests are trying to dictate our every move. If the HD guys enjoy being pirates and riding around on loud bikes, big whoopin deal. City streets are not some sanctuary intended to be free of the sounds of man and machine; they are just the opposite. They are the arteries of the city where people travel to and from there destination. If you want peace and quiet go somewhere that is supposed to be peaceful and quiet. I live near South Park and there are plenty of peaceful quiet places. Colorado is being attacked by the Hidden Gems, a special interest group intent on converting national forest into wilderness areas. They say its all to protect the forest from machinery and the gas industry when in fact they are trying to make these areas off limits to dirt bikes, atv's, jeeps and mountain bikes because they dont approve of these activities so no one should enjoy them. They want to be able to hike, ski and snow shoe without being annoyed by those red necks that enjoy power sports, only problem is its public land for use by all. The intent of wilderness area is to protect habitat that will not recover annually from vehicular traffic; none of these areas meet there criteria. So I think this group of elected city officials or local groups in your home town is no different. They dont like Harleys because they are loud but worse they dont like Harley riders because they are all "FAGS" as you put it. I just hope that you make the mistake of laughing at a "FAG" in club 81 and come home without your teeth.
Cheers
skeeter -Big Ron  November 11, 2009 05:42 PM
I agree with you all the way! As far as Skip goes, I was out riding while he was sitting down watching BIKERS ride. He is just another wannabe! lol
Skip -For Big Ron  November 11, 2009 04:21 PM
Here you go - enjoy: http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889
Big Ron -Re; Skip - HD Crap  November 11, 2009 10:41 AM
A quote by Skip: "I sat at a sidewalk cafe in Stillwater, Mn and watch the local cops hand out tickets to bikers with loud exhaust for almost 2 hours. Every ticket went to a moron on a harley riding down the street revving his engine with his loud pipes. Hey everybody look at me - I am the idiot dressed up like a moron with loud exhaust - ain't I cool. Hundreds of people walking down the sidewalk were cheering for the cops and so was I. I was enjoying a peaceful afternoon and I do not need some fag showing off on his piece of junk harley to ruin it"

Skip it actually sounds like your enjoyment came at the cost of others from watching the issuance of traffic citations to the tune of $600 per ticket and has nothing to do with a peaceful afternoon or the actual noise. Once again you represent a group of people who want total control over everyone else, special interests, and you are ruining this country. What will you do next, outlaw pirate garb and big belt buckles. You need to see a psychiatirst as you have a serious control issues and perhaps a sadistic nature if you get enjoyment out of seeing others suffer. By the way riding a Harley may make you a candidate for "what not to wear" but it doesnt make you gay so keep the insults pertinant to the discussion at hand.
Skip -HD Crap  November 11, 2009 08:26 AM
I sat at a sidewalk cafe in Stillwater, Mn and watch the local cops hand out tickets to bikers with loud exhaust for almost 2 hours. Every ticket went to a moron on a harley riding down the street revving his engine with his loud pipes. Hey everybody look at me - I am the idiot dressed up like a moron with loud exhaust - ain't I cool. Hundreds of people walking down the sidewalk were cheering for the cops and so was I. I was enjoying a peaceful afternoon and I do not need some fag showing off on his piece of junk harley to ruin it.
BIg Ron -Skip - Loud Pipes  November 10, 2009 09:00 PM
Skip you really need to re-think what you are saying in regards to restrictions on motorcycle exhaust. This is supposed to be a free country but everyday some special interest group that knows whats best for the rest of us hires some lobbiest in Washington to petition some jerk in congress to take away more of our rights. They never stop. Perhaps one of them lost a high school girlfreind to a guy in a pirate suit and they want to get back at all HD guys for the pain they suffered, so they use the forum to do so. Wait until they start taking something away from you; for example lets say they decide to electronically limit the speed of your sportbike to 105mph due to the number of fatalities, what will you do then? I would be very upset. I ride a sport bike but I dont care if the guys on HD's have loud pipes and neither should you. Does it hurt you or anyone else; is it a public health issue; is it infringing on someone elses rights? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Its about control. The public streets are loud and its not due to motorcycles, its auto and truck engines and tire noise. Dont beleive me, walk down a major truck route or ride down the interstate with your windows down; the noise is unbeleivable. Life is way too short to worry about what everyone else is doing or to spend your time trying to control everyone elses actions. Riding is about freedom and they are constantly trying to restrict it. If you dont want loud pipes dont get them, its your money; if Butch, Skeeter or Breeze want loud pipes it should be their choice because its there money and they shouldnt have to worry whether or not their exhaust has been approved by the local golf course patrons, shop owners or PTA as they tour across state lines. FYI; Based on this law I would get a ticket as well, I ride a ZX10 with a Leo Vince slip on which is not any louder than stock, but the cops will not care, its revenue for them and an opportunity to harras someone on a bike.
Watcher -HD Noncense  November 9, 2009 09:06 AM
Hey Milwaukee Mike I really do envy all the harley riders. Yea, I want to get all tattooed up, get my offical harley belt buckle, vest with a big eagle on the back, do-rag and ride around town looking like an idiot and don't forget I could have a HD decal on my rear window. I do not give a crap about all that made in America BS. Harley sells the "lifestyle", not up to date motorcycles. Harley encourages riders to put obnoxious loud pipes on there bikes because its part of there bullshit lifestyle. The general public has had it with these assholes parading around town dressed like the village people and showing off there loud pipes. Our city council is presently drawing up an ordinance to regulate loud motorcycles. Its about time.
GB -WTF????  November 9, 2009 08:46 AM
listen up dudes. with big brother trying to put the squeeze on our riding, making us wear helmets when it should be a personel choice, quiet our sound and limit our horsepower. then when got the kids texting as they drive, the old ladies that don't see us and the truckers that won't see us all trying to kill us. and all you guys can do is whine and bitch about what brand ya ride?? get a life dudes!!! we better start sticking together or there ain't gonna be no more riding. now, you all either open a cold one, roll a fatty or just chill. i'll wave when i feel like waving, it's not a brand choice it's all in how i feel. nothing personel. yeah i know i get caught up in the my bike is better than you bike crap too. but damn, this is too serious. besides my bike is better :-)
milwaukee mike -WiseGuy & JD Evo  November 9, 2009 08:44 AM
Harley has made it through wars, recessions, corporate restructuring, and they are still here. Your stupid anti-American remarks just show your envy of Harley owners. Loud pipes...are you kidding? There are MANY jap bikes that have loud pipes, and that;s no to mention the crotch rockets. Where have you been riding, that you believe Harley riders are the only people that change their pipes? It sounds more like you are both talking out of you a**es with out any real facts to back up your silly jabber.
WiseGuy -HD on its way out  November 9, 2009 08:42 AM
Harley really does not know what to do. They have a out of date motorcycle line that has a very narrow market - older men. The were only able to sell a lot of bikes because they were giving credit to anyone who walked in the door. That is coming around and biting them in the ass now. The youth market thinks a Harley motorcycle is a joke and I do not blame them. Harley has been putting out the same old crap for years. There "new" model is an old one with a new paint job or more chrome. Dropping Buell was a HUGE mistake. When the old guys are too old to buy a bike Harley is out of business. They sell this "life Style" garbage which is dress up like a pirate, put loud exhaust on and cruise around town pissing off the public.
GB -happy  November 9, 2009 08:30 AM
". Look who's riding a Harley nowadays? Old douches that are happy when at least something moves between their legs when pulling the throttle.""

i don't care who you are that there is funny!!! maybe they should make a viagra blue HD???
Happy -South Park & Harleys  November 6, 2009 01:10 PM
The message being sent by this South Park episode was so balls-on accurate...it's scary. Yep, that whole leather-clad, tattoo-covered, earring wearing crowd of assholes will become dead as dinosaurs pretty soon. The LAW is after your ass, and those obnoxious pipes are coming off. It's about time, too. You guys have been screwing up our sport for waaayyy too many years. "Harley is a way of life"? So is eating out of the trashcan. Hehe, its s being build with a broken engine design for over 60 years now. Even the most aggressive Ducati is a symphony against that arthritic bubbling of the old man's broken Harley engine. Look who's riding a Harley nowadays? Old douches that are happy when at least something moves between their legs when pulling the throttle. Haha thank you Southpark, I now can call them Harley Fags.
Watcher -The Truth - Finally  November 6, 2009 12:14 PM
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889
eric cartman -harley riding fags  November 6, 2009 11:11 AM
Hey, anyone see this weeks new south park? It was way too funny. It's about Harley riders and loud pipes. Said they were all FAGS, HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm sure glad they stopped short of adding in all us metric cruiser guys........
themountain -mmm..  November 6, 2009 11:01 AM
I am a diehard HD fan ,but this model does not get me...it still fails in several aspects...even for a classic looking bike...there is no progress whatshowever...sad!!
raging bull -HDBreeze - Raging Moron  November 5, 2009 09:51 PM
HDBreeze - You and Woodman West make some very salient points. I respect your opinions. As I said, I hope HD out lives me. My 'moronic' statement about HD being analogous to GM is because neither company can keep running to the gov't for bail out money when they get into financial trouble. Anyway, it is what it is ... only time will tell. I enjoyed the dialouge. Stay safe men -
Woodman West -Bull not a moron.  November 5, 2009 01:01 PM
I will not go s far as to call Raging Bull a moron, as I said, this is business, not personal. Calling HD like GM is a bit moronic however. They (HD) pretty much fired all the folks who made this bad decisions pretty quickly. (CEO and Head of Finance both got the can)

We all got up beat his quick downturn. Plenty of blame to go around. HD has gotten very aggressive, good, bad or ugly. Trim the fat, sell poor performers, whatever the reason, and fight to survive. Eric Buell should have been going to the dealers and the rallies to meet riders, salespeople and techs. I am in sales, visits by reps are huge in promoting products.

HD still has too many models, for sure. That seems to be being addressed as we speak. V Rods, Sportys both been have cut back.

Honda is getting slammed hard. Thier '10 lineup is confusing at best. Star and Kawasaki seem to be focused on classic cruisers. Muscle cruisers are DOA.

There is no shortage of old dudes with money who want new bikes. They are just scared to death to spend any right now. The reason is a discussion for another time.
HDBreeze -Raging Moron  November 5, 2009 12:01 PM
The fact is that Harley sales are down, just like Chrysler, just like Toyota, just like Kawasaki, etc. What portion of Harley's sales do you think Buell and MV Agusta occupied? Not much. As far as MV Agusta, I don't think I've ever seen one on the streets. From what I read about them, they are very expensive and require tons of maintenance like other Italian motorcycles. Buell made great bikes, and I owned a 96 Lightning till recently. The long and short of it is that Harley should have sold the Buell bikes in there own franchised dealers. Harley-Davidson customers or cruiser customers in general are not interested in sportbikes. What's done is done, and Harley will benefit from many of the Buell innovations. Harley is trimming the fat. They overexpanded when business was booming and the production couldn't keep up with the demand. The demand has levelled off, the ecconomy is in the toilet, and customers don't "need" motorcycles. As the ecconomy picks up, motorcycle sales will go up too. I have a 2006 Suzuki SV1000S that I bought new in 2006. The same dealer that I bought it from still has "new" 2006 SV1000's in stock as well as other models. That particular dealer is a great dealer in a high traffic area, and they sell Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Can-Am, Bombardier, Seadoo, and KTM. They are not selling very many bikes there, and the owner has shut down two other locations that he owned. This past March, I was in Daytona, FL for Bike Week, and a bunch of the metric dealers that were there the year before are now gone. The Harley dealers were busy and crowded. In fact, at Destination Daytona there were a lot of metric bikes there among the Harleys. I have friends that ride Harleys, Hondas, Yamahas, Triumphs, ect. My bikes are of several different brands, Harley, Suzuki, Vincent, Indian and Kawasaki, so I love all motorcycles and don't care what anyone rides. Harley got a little fat after being the cruiser of choice for the last 25 years, and now they are motivated to restructure. It would be naive to think that the other brands are doing well, because they are not. Harley just makes street bikes. They don't sell atv's, cars, power tools or musical instruments like many of the other brands, so their bottom line isn't going to look as well as some other brands. Despite the fact that Harley is closing a couple of plants, they are still expanding their global market and their dealers are not closing. The same cannot be said for most of the other brands. Harley will weather the storm and come out as a stronger company. Let's get through the trying times, and say a prayer that all the motorcycle manufacturers get through this crappy ecconomy. I believe that it's very un-American to wish any American company or a company that provides jobs to Americans will go under. It would be a tragedy if Harley were to go under. So many Americans would be unemployed, and an icon would be gone. It would hurt others more than Harley riders. The value of the bikes would go through the roof, and the aftermarket is so big that parts would always be available. Let's all look at the big picture, and get over the jealousy and petty bickering.


RIDE SAFE & LOVE WHAT YOU RIDE!
raging bull -RE: Woodman West  November 5, 2009 09:07 AM
Buffett invested 300 mill back in January 2009 before HD announced their latest financial's. But that doesn't mean anything because Buffett could believe the company is more valuable when liquidated and becomes a marketing company and no longer a manufacturer however I don't think that was the case. If you remember, Buffett was getting a lot of heat last year for investing so much capital overseas so he made some at-home investments - what better company to use as an icon investment since HD has always played-off the last American made MC - us against the imports. Hey listen, I hope I'm wrong but everything that's come out of HD lately has been bad news and this economy isn't very forgiving. They shouldn't have just pulled the plug on Buell like they did, they had no right buying MV Augusta, they're not exactly innovative, they appeal to an aging and shrinking demographic, they have way too many models that are duplicitous, the dealerships are not turning their inventory over, and their product is over-priced compared to other options. This executive team has made very bad decisions and I don't think their capable of turning this trend around, not in this business environment. Time will tell and like I said I hope I'm wrong but they've taken a lot of hits lately and they have a flawed business model that hasn't changed with the market. Their the General Motors of motorcycles and the future ain't looking good, that's all I'm saying.
Woodman West -Raging Bull  November 5, 2009 06:05 AM
RB. what do you base your opinion on? Warren Buffet just lent HD $100,000,000. He is the worlds top investor. Thier stock is doing fine, they are not closing dealers nearly as fast as thier competition and the will sell 250,000 bikes in 2009.

Buell was business, not personal. And who cares how many (extremely profitable) belt buckles and t Shirts they sell. Honda/Yamaha(Star),Suzuki/Kawasaki would kill for thier market share in the cruiser (extremely profitable) sector.

We should celebrate the continued success of an American Original. Regardless of whether or not you ride the MC.

Personally, I think they should get out of Pa. as fast as possible.
raging bull -Hardly-Able-son  November 4, 2009 10:14 PM
All this back and forth about Hardly-Able-son's will be a mute point pretty soon because as a company, they are going down the drain real fast. I'd be surprised if they are still manufacturing motorcycles in 2 years but will instead morph into a marketing company selling the Hardly-Able-son name as a royalty only. Simply stated, they are in a real financial mess and don't have enough cash to weather the current economic conundrum we are currently in plus have an over-abundance of slow-selling inventory clogging up their distribution pipeline. They are going to close their inefficient York, PA plant soon which will further erode their operating capital. They've already pissed through $125 million in Federal bail-out money. Dumping Buell as they did was a poor decision made by an arrogant, incompetent management team; a desperate act made by a desperate company. If I bought a Buell recently I'd be pissed. They devalued the brand and I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the price significantly on current H-D inventory just to stay afloat which means they'll devalue the Hardly-Able-son brand too. If you own one, sell it now and buy again at the lower price. Not a pretty picture for Hardley-Able-son. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS110897+15-Oct-2009+PRN20091015 http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/noharley2.html
skeet -Still Laughing  November 4, 2009 12:37 PM
I'll bet that you are a big Son's of Anarchy fan, right?
Still Laughing -Harley Crap  November 4, 2009 12:02 PM
Hee Hee yea I am going to man up and run right out to the harley dealer and get my offical belt buckle, t shirt with HD on it, vest with HD on it, chaps with HD on it and a do rag. Next I'll buy my new outdated and underpowered motorcycle that I could have bought for half used in any newspaper. Oh boy I just can't wait - I'll have my official harley pirate costume on and everything. I better get the loud exhaust too so everybody will hear me coming down the street. I want them to think I an asshole just like every other hardley rider.
milwaukee mike -Still Laughing  November 4, 2009 11:39 AM
You are just another wanna-be biker that is intimidated by Harley-Davidson. Ride your jap-crap Harley poser bike, nobody cares! Harley will be here if decide to man-up.
Still Laughing -Harley Crap  November 4, 2009 10:15 AM
Everybody is doing a great job of convincing themselves that there harley is not a piece of shit. Keep it up and keep me laughing.
Heritage guy -moot feud  November 4, 2009 10:01 AM
I can't believe the tone of the conversation in here. You dont ride the damn label dude, you ride the bike. And if that gets you down the road and home, and you can afford it then far fricken out. The attitude that all V-Twins are a copy of an HD is a moot point. Only a sissy, narcissistic, stuck up punk with a child's mind would be pissed about that. "copy cat copy cat, na na na na naaaaa na." Give it a rest. You should be flattered you spud. I purchased a 94 heritage new, and I never rode with anyone cuz of the stupid attitude these guys would get as soon as their leather went on and their bikes started. I never went and got the damn tattoo, or the HD jacket that was 4 hundred more that one without. Never got the coffee cup or sticker for my truck window, hell I figured I already spend 16k, I didn't even what their name on the tank, crap why should I advertise for them, they ain't paying me. On my way home from the dealer I was confused, "16K for this?" No wonder I seen pictures of grandma's riding these things! It took me another 2 grand or so to make it go fast enough to at least pass a truck and have a seat that didn't slide me around, and handlebars that actually helped the bike handle. I understand that HD wants their bikes to go 500K plus miles and pass emissions and all but why build so little and charge so much? The damn cheep chrome parts, even the wheels started to flake from day one. The black powder coating on the engine started flacking and turning gray from day one also. HD would not honor their warante and give me new wheels, powder coating or anything, well within the first year. Once I got over the fact that my bike will never be nice again and will look like a damn rider forever I did enjoy the bike. I had to sell it 6 year later and lost about 8k overall. Tears runnin down my face... After a couple road bikes I'm back on a cruiser/custom and I'm enjoying the ride very much. I had to put 500 into this bike to get it to go right but damn if it ain't way faster and better handling that the ol Harley. It's got lots of brakes and plain ol carbs and no fly by nothing that i cant fix myself. It looks a lot like a softtail custom, most Harley riders give me a wave, but some of them are afraid to let go of their bars or can see that it isn't a Harley and don't wave at all. I have a special salute for them, I hope they can see me in their shaky mirrors. Anyway, I'm a waving kind of guy but now i have to wait to see what the other guys attitude is first so I don't get left hanging. And when I Isee him look at my bike then look me right in the hey and not even not his head I think to myself "what a f***in stuck up prick!" Enjoy your payments bra, my copy can kill your original anytime. Will I buy another Harley? Sure if I can afford a nice used one I'll think about it. Will I wave at ya? Sure man, anytime.
string -2010 wide glide  November 3, 2009 05:29 PM
i had a 1982 shovel wide glide,i dig the new look. Harley is doing a great job with the traditional looks and also keeping it fresh but some will think it sacrilegious to do away with the bobtail fender. i ride a 2nd hand(maybe 3rd?) vtx for now,when the money flows maybe get a another HD, but yeah i'm in on the new 2010 wide glide.
DePaul -top speed  November 3, 2009 12:30 PM
I just received the December issue of CW. In their review of the Dyna Wide Glide, the top speed was clocked at 118mph. The 1/4 mile time was 13.26 seconds with a trap speed of 100mph. The Kawasaki Vulcan 2000 with 4 extra valves, water cooling and an extra 325cc ran the 1/4 mile at 12.53 seconds with a trap speed of 103mph. Not too bad for outdated "low tech" "1950's technology"!
RJ -HD FXDWG  November 3, 2009 12:03 PM
I started on a 2002 HDFXDWG which I had a certain love for that ride. I then switched up to a 2006 RSWarrior. Following that I traded for better two up riding and bought a left over 2006 Roadliner S for a smoking deal. While I love my Star/Yamahas I also can appreciate the uniqueness of the ride on a HD. I laugh when I see people practically getting into fist-fights over brands. Every brand has it's loyal following but mostly it's encouraged by the manufacturers as part of marketing hype and people fall for it every time. The claim that they're all just Harley knock offs copying their idea is also absurd. It was the cruiser market for the last decade that was hot and selling bikes so manufacturers were targeting that extremely profitable market. The fact that they happen to appear as HDs is only because a cruiser has certain design features that are replicated from model to model. Does HD have a lock on that design? No way. How else can you describe a cruiser without visioning metal fenders, chrome (possibly loud) pipes, and comfortable 'C' seating postion, and pull back risers on the handlebars. A cruiser is also made for comfort cruising and not flat out top speed or handling so stop trying to compare these bikes to the sport bike market and sport touring bikes. Although, there are certain smaller bikes that can be eaten up by my liner, it's not the overall design intent of the genre.
Doogann -DePaul  November 3, 2009 11:55 AM
DePaul, Harley is not the only OEM that gets their hand forced by the EPA. Look how many air or air & oil cooled bikes have left the model line ups of manufacturers.

I was just pointing out that some of the things Harley has done are for other reasons than customer satisfaction. In my post I said the Gold Wing should have a 6 speed and my opinion would be that a shaft drive, a modern design shaft drive, would be better for a touring bike but not for a cruiser.

I also mentioned in my last post the throttle-by-wire thing is used on cruisers like the Kawasaki Voyager 1700 and some other bikes that are not sport bikes.

I wasn’t trying to pick on Harley or Harley owners. I was just trying to point out some facts that are overlooked sometimes.

Most of the time, not all the time, when you hear any factory say “the bike was retuned for more midrange” that is BS for the bike was detuned to meet tougher regulations. Often you don't ever see any significant increase in the power band in terms of “midrange torque” but you do see a drop in top end power on the dyno. Where did the power go? Why is the midrange still about the same? The power was regulated out of existence!
Saying “retuned for more streetable torque” sounds a lot better than detuned for current emission regulations.
Woodman West -FB121  November 3, 2009 08:46 AM
Just to be clear, I do not ride HD, so this is not personal to me. I ride custom bikes that I build. Both of my current bikes are based on Stars, heavily modifed.

This is about the business of motorcycles, this interest me because I have a small custom MC seat business. But, as they say, It is not show friends, it is show business. I is an undenialbe truth the the metrics work extrememly hard to mimic HD in style, sound and overall appearance. Come on, bolt on cooling fins on a watercooled motor. That is almost embarrassing.

Also, we did not bail out HD. Ronald Reagan imposed import tariffs on MCs over 700cc in the early 80s after HD was able to convince Congress that the Japanese were dumping bikes and keeping thier price artifically low.


Thr tariffs leveled the playing field and HD recovered and prospered. The Tariffs decrease rapidly over time. I did a term paper on it in college.
FB121 -Funkerson  November 3, 2009 08:26 AM
Well said my Friend ... that's funny! I agree it shouldn't matter what you ride as long as your riding, but give me a break, most people I see on Harley's have the Harley attitude ... get over it! And I have NO PROBLEM saying it to your face, why don't we just line up and run for pink slips ... Hell I'll even leave my windshield on .....
DePaul -Doogann  November 3, 2009 07:12 AM
First off, with the throttle-by-wire comment, I was referring to cruisers. Everybody knows that the inline-4 sport bikes have the most advanced technology. As far as Harley changing to a 6 speed tranny, it was done to increase the fuel mileage and smooth out the ride at highway speeds. It had nothing to do with noise. My Wing was more quiet than my CTS as far as the engine goes, but that whine from the shaft drive was annoying and loud. Why didn't Honda switch to a 6 speed tranny and a belt drive system? I've owned 14 street bikes over my 36 years of riding, only 3 have been Harleys, so I'm not trying to say that Harley is better than any other brand. It's just that reading the posts from riders that say Harley doesn't do anything to improve their bikes is wrong. Whether they make changes to their bikes because the government forces them to or because their customers want them to, they are still changes that improve their motorcycles. In 2009 the entire Harley touring line got a new frame, added motor mounts, and 30+ other improvements. I may be wrong, but I think that was done to give their customers a better bike. The changes that Harley makes usually don't break new ground, but they do make many subtle improvements. I had a 75 Ironhead Sportster that was a reliable quick bike but the vibration would rattle my fillings out. In 2004, I did a demo ride on a 883, and the ride was amazing. I was expecting a similar ride to my old Ironhead. In 2005, I was looking to buy a Harley Ultra Classic, but after riding a friend's E-Glide Classic, I decided to keep my Goldwing. In 2008, my wife and I were on vacation in Ocean City, MD, and got the urge to go riding so we rented a Street Glide. We both loved the bike, the way it rode, and the Harmon Kardon stereo was amazing. My 2010 Road Glide rides way better than the 08 Street Glide that I rented. I will say that after coming off the Goldwing, I would like to have some more power, but that is an easy fix. Before buying My Road Glide Custom, I was considering a Victory Vision. It rode great, and was nearly as fast as my Wing, but the closest dealer was a little far and they still had new 2 year old leftovers in stock. The styling was kind of Jetsons-like, but it did grow on me. I went home to do some internet research, because I had no experience with Polaris Industries products, and I was concerned about why they had so many leftovers on the floor. What I found was that all of the dealers within a 250 mile radius of me had alot of leftover bikes, and that Polaris was not selling very many Victorys. I was not able to come up with any difinitive sales numbers because Polaris has so many other products, but did get the impression that Victorys weren't moving much. In all honesty, I don't see very many Victorys on the road, which is one of the things I liked about the Vision. When I weighed it all out, the Harley Road Glide was the better decision for me. The Victory Cross Roads was not out yet, but it may have swayed my decision slightly if the dealer network was better.
FB121 -Sales down  November 3, 2009 07:10 AM
Maybe things don't seem as gloomy as they did during the mild economic panic of last year, but the economy is definitely in a low-power mode, affecting every industry, including motorcycles. On July 16th, Harley-Davidson released its second-quarter 2009 results, revealing a grim picture of the company's sales and outlook. Like last quarter, H-D's profits are well down on the prior-year quarter, sinking to $19.8 million from $222.8 million in the same period last year. Harley faces two major challenges: a 35 percent drop in domestic sales (H-D claims the drop in sales of all brands of heavyweight motorcycles nationwide was 48 percent in the same period), and the struggles of its financing division, HDFS. A $72 million "credit loss provision" and $28 million write-off of goodwill related to HDFS contributed to poor earnings." Looks like even your beloved Harley Davidson is hurting too ... the whole industry is ... but if there comes a day that the only motorcycle you can buy in America is a Harley I'll quit riding! Besides didn't the American tax payers bail out Harley before?
Woodman West -examples  November 3, 2009 03:54 AM
Look the the Stratoliner/Roadliner bikes. Amazing machines, FI 1900cc powerfull motors, aluminum great handling frames...and poor sellers. Why becuase of the quirky "Madonna bra" blinkers styling.

Still lots of 07-08 models out there being sold at a loss. (Yamaha rebates the difference). For 2010 this bikes gets hardbags and a batwing to make it look like a Streetglide. One of HDs best selling lines.

Or take the Kawasaki Voyager 1700. Frame mounted fairing and classic Amercian styling. A dealer recently refered to it as a "Metric Ultra". The Ultraglide is HDs best selling big V Twin.

At this point all the Jap dealers can do is hang on and hope there bikes look enough like HDs that someone will come in an buy one. They are dropping like flies. HD is adding new models, metrics are slimming way back. Victory is down %59, I hope they can hang on. There only chance is the new Crosscountry/Crossroad line. Once again designed to look like Streetglides. Hardbags and batwings.

The proof is in the pudding my friends and fellow riders. The strong will survive, but HD ain't trying to make thier bikes look like Hondas to generate sales!
Woodman West -look a likes  November 3, 2009 03:19 AM
Almost every metric cruiser has items designed to make it look more like an HD. Snap in head covers to make it look like a shovel motor, hidden radiators with internal routing, big chromed "primaries" on unit motors. Fake Fattbob looking tanks with the speedo center mounted. Heck some bikes even have bolt on cooling fins or water cooled motors (I kid you not). The $18,000 carbed, 5 speed, casette decked equiped (real high tech stuff here) Venture literally has fake cooling fins bolted to the water cooled motor.

So if imtation is the sincerest form of flattery, you can say the metrics think the HDs are great bikes.
Funknerson -Madd  November 2, 2009 08:16 PM
“So we could all ride the same crap, eat the same crap, wear the same rags and none would be wiser! Give me a break”... Well that already happens with Harley riders they all ride the same crap, wear the same Harley-Davidson officially licensed crap and none are the wiser because they all think they are rebellious individuals…Give ME a break.
Doogann -DePaul  November 2, 2009 08:07 PM
“The 6-speed that Harley uses is an overdrive tranny”. Correct, and when they do noise testing they do it at cruising speeds when it is in top gear; therefore Harley needed to put a taller top gear in place to reduce some of the noise. That is not the only thing Harley did they also lightened various parts and tightened tolerances and etc. The gold wing has a 5 speed (should have a 6) but liquid cooled bikes run quieter because some of the mechanical noise is absorbed in the water jackets and their are many other reasons the Gold Wing runs quieter than your average stock Harley.

‘Harley has offered fuel injection in the Ultra Classis Electra Glide since 1997, which is way before many cruisers and way before the curren EPA regulations”.
I know this, that is why I mentioned in my post Harley used to charge extra for this option and they did. This was my whole point. Harley could have put EFI on their bikes earlier but didn’t because they did not have to. Now…they have to, so now it is standard.

“and use a new throttle-by-wire system, which as far as I know, nobody else uses”. Yamaha has been using this technology since 2006 for the YZFR6 it was the first production motorcycle to use throttle-by-wire system. Now they use it in other models like the YZFR1, the Kawasaki 2010 Voyager also uses their own version of this technology. More bikes are using them but these are just the ones that came to mind at the moment.

“I also wanted to mention that most of Yamaha's Star line of cruisers are air cooled 5-speed bikes”. They are but they are also EFI just like Harleys and just a few years ago bikes like the Road Star were not EFI. Their motors although air cooled are not decades old technology and I don’t say this as a sarcastic insult about the TC96 I am saying it as a fact and as to why the Yamaha’s run quieter.

I would also like to mention that Polaris Victory bikes were all EFI before Harley, use Brembo brakes (with steel braided lines from the factory), and Have 6 speed gear boxes.

Like I said Harley made these upgrades mostly because their hand was forced by the EPA.
Sweetness -Fools  November 2, 2009 07:50 PM
Seeing the fools posting here I just might add a Harley to my garage,
just to see them foam at the mouth and convulse as they see me actually enjoying the ride. Your choice of transportation does not make you cooler, smarter, or more "macho" than someone with a different choice! Grow up, son.
DePaul -Cycle World  November 2, 2009 07:22 PM
I just received the December issue of Cycle World, and it has a review of the 2010 Dyna Wide Glide. Overall, the review was very favorable, and all three test riders liked the styling. For starters, it has a measured top speed of 118 mph, 174 mile cruising range out of a 4.7 gallon tank, wet weight of 673 lbs, and runs the 1/4 mile in 13.26 seconds with a trap speed of 100 mph. In a previous Cycle World review, the Kawasaki Vulcan 2000 ran the 1/4 mile in 12.53 seconds. Not bad for a "low tech" motorcycle with "1950's technology".
Madd -What the hell?  November 2, 2009 05:06 PM
I love Harleys and you dont... So what? Get on with it! What happened to "democracy"? What happened to "freedom of choice"? What happened to "free market principles"? Were all of them lies? Then why didnt we simply cave in and renamed our countries as "People's Republic of Yadda Yadda..."??? So we could all ride the same crap, eat the same crap, wear the same rags and none would be wiser! Give me a break...
DePaul -Doogann  November 2, 2009 03:41 PM
Not everything you wrote is correct. The 6-speed that Harley uses is an overdrive tranny. The gearing is almost identical to the previous 5-speed. Harley has offered fuel injection in the Ultra Classis Electra Glide since 1997, which is way before many cruisers and way before the curren EPA regulations. They are also doing more and more internal wiring, and use a new throttle-by-wire system, which as far as I know, nobody else uses. All of the touring models use Brembo brakes, and offer ABS. I don't think that can be said for most of the other cruisers. I had a 2002 Honda Goldwing, and I loved it, but it didn't have much style. By the way, the Honda only offers a 5-speed in the Wing. I bought a 2010 Road Glide Custom and have put 13,000 miles on it so far. It's been a great, smooth and reliable ride. I do wish I could have kept the Wing too, but the wife wouldn't have it! I also wanted to mention that most of Yamaha's Star line of cruisers are air cooled 5-speed bikes.

Skip -Harley makes me laugh  November 2, 2009 03:07 PM
Wow everybody sure has Skeeter pissed off. Harley envy? What in the hell is that. Ok, I'll admit it, I am very envious of every Harley I see on the street. I sure wish I had a motorcycle that has all that classic 1950's style and technology. And - with only 65 horsepower I wouldn't be able to go very fast so the chances of getting hurt are slim and I would stay off the twisties so my poor handling bike would not run me into the ditch. Damm, I could even get some offical harley fingerless nose picker gloves. I don't waste my time waving at a harley rider. Harley riders give themselves the bad name with there clown outfits and loud exhaust. Our city council is now working on a new noise ordinance that will require all motorcycles to have original equipment exhaust. Stillwater, MN already has this ordinance. I truly believe that the harley morn will sell his bike if he can't have his loud exhaust. That is the only reason they buy that junk in the first place. People who want to ride a motorcycle for there own enjoyment would not even consider an antique overpriced piece of crap like a harley. Also, Skeeter, I am sure your harley t-shirt, harley do rag, and harley belt buckle will protect you in an accident.
Doogann -skeeter  November 2, 2009 02:29 PM
The only reason Harleys have EFI and a 6 speed gear box is because of emissions and noise regulations set by the EPA…DUHH. The engine is air cooled do you think it would pass emissions with carburetors? Even Triumph has finally added EFI to their air cooled bikes. Of the very few metric cruisers that still have carbs it’s because their liquid cooled motors can just make it past EPA standards and the air cooled ones with carbs are usually only 250cc making 12 hp. The 6 speed is to reduce mechanical noise while still allowing for smooth acceleration; otherwise, the bike would feel or pull like it is geared too high because it would have to be if it were just a 5 speed made to meet the new EPA standards.

Harley does not do these things because they want to but because they have to. Harley used to charge extra for EFI. Now it is standard because they can’t sell any with carbs because they won’t pass emissions otherwise they would still be jacking you for a few more extra bucks.
Clarkson -@skeeter  November 2, 2009 02:29 PM
"Why else would you read a review on a Harley, and then post anti-Harley comments, which have little to do with the review?" read my previous post a very little bit down below, you'll know why!!
Tim B -Nice!  November 2, 2009 02:02 PM
I respect Harley as much as they respect me (They don't because I ride a Buell), but I have to admit this is the best looking Harley in a long, long time!

Now just double the power and make it competitively priced and sign me up!
skeeter -Proud to be a pirate!  November 2, 2009 12:32 PM
It's funny that there are so many metric riders that say Harley riders dress like "pirates" or "the Village People". I would rather be dressed like a pirate and riding my Harley, than dressed like a yuppie geek and riding a metric Harley knockoff. You wear your his & hers matching gear while hiding that Harley t-shirt underneath your stupid Joe Rocket jackets. I like the his & hers helmets with your names pinstriped on the backs too. That's real cute! lol I'm sure when you pull up at the local pub for sushi & a latte', it makes you feel like a real biker. Obviously, you all have Harley envy. Why else would you read a review on a Harley, and then post anti-Harley comments, which have little to do with the review? Maybe you're just intimidated by Harley, or upset because we didn't wave back to you? Only you know the real reason... Ride what you want, but don't be pi**ed off because I ride a Harley. If I don't wave to you, get over it, because it's no big deal. I'm not going to stop riding Harleys because you all need to vent you stupid comments on here. The truth is, you would never have the courage to say most of those comments to my face.
Booger -Used HD  November 2, 2009 10:48 AM
If I was going to buy a Harley I would buy a used one. The papers are full of cheap used Harleys. Once bought and ridden for awhile a person finds out what a real piece of crap a Harley really is. Hell, maybe the seller will throw in his pirate costume with it and then you would be all set to cruise around your town and be a pretend bad ass.
FB121 -J Jackson  November 2, 2009 09:17 AM
Mr. Jackson you bring up the "Harley Haters" comment that I would like to respond to. Most Harley Riders bring it upon themselves ... I have been riding motorcycles for more than 35 years and have to date not had a Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Victory etc, etc. rider not return a wave. You Harley Riders are another bread ... once you adorn the leather chaps, the leather jacket, the skeleton face shield and bandana you apparently become a gooder than tho and that attitude because your are on your Harley. Just because you ride a Harley doesn't mean you automatically become a bad ass Hells Angels member, but apparently a lot of you think so? I DO NOT hate Harley Riders but when they do not return a simple wave to a fellow biker I wonder if they are just pissed because of MY RIDE? I asked a Harley Rider once why they don't wave to some bikes ... He said it depended on who he is riding with? I once pulled up next to a Harley at a stop light when I had my RC51. I nodded to Him and His Girl passenger, He looked over and flipped me off, She waved and he elbowed her in the side, the light turned green I took off shaking my head and He stalled His bike ..... Yeah, Your are right, us NON HARLEY Riders will never get it! I just hope you meet as many friends as I do because life is short.
pool -skeeter  November 2, 2009 09:13 AM
with vmax price is $17,990.00 and HD dyna is $14,499, i think HD is very overpriced based on technology, built quality and performance. Yes, vmax is not 'Pure' cruiser, it is an 'muscle' cruiser but it has the outstanding performance that outperform other bikes even B-King and it has comfort for everyday riding even tough not as good as HD . i would consider HD if the price is below $10,000.00
HDBreeze -Thanks GB!  November 1, 2009 06:25 PM
Like I've said on here before, ride what you like and can afford. Life is short, so go get the wind in your hair! I'm a fourth generation biker. When I want to go fast, I'm on the track with my 97 supercharged ZX7RR. It is highly modified and will do 103 mph in first gear. Talk about scary fast! lol I have a 49 Indian Scout flat tracker that I do some vintage racing with. It doesn't have a speedo, but has been clocked at 92 mph. The class that I race it in runs about 75-85 on average. When your riding a 60 year old v-twin, it seams really fast. It's a blast, and I love every minute of it...except for the crash I had over the summer. When it come to cruising, I like my Heritage Springer, but for long distance touring, I ride my 2000 Harley Road Glide or my Suzuki SV100S. I have options that most riders don't have. Most of my friends and members of my club have only one bike. If you have the bike that works for you, one is all you need. If I were to have only one bike, it would be the Road Glide. It's smooth, reliable, has plenty of storage, fuel injection, cruise control, radio, cb, Sirius, and will run on the highways at 85 mph all day long. I don't always agree with skeeter, but when it comes to the VMAX, I do. I has no real purpose, and is definitely not a cruiser. If you like it great. I don't know where a rider could use all that speed. Maybe from stoplight to stoplight? I'm sure it's a nice feeling for Vmax riders to know that they have that power. I feel the same on my ZX7RR, but I never ride that on the street. For those riders that have the need to ride fast on the streets, more power to you. As far as waving to other riders, I wave to everyone whether I'm riding on my Harley or one of my other bikes. If other riders choose to wave back or not to wave back, it doesn't matter to me.
Clarkson -Why we read this, Chris?  November 1, 2009 05:43 PM
We read this because we want to know what "new" color scheme Harley have come out with a new year so that we can laugh, have fun and see the responses of Harley lovers like you!!! you see, I have a point here! And it is not like other's don't come out with a new color scheme time to time, they do, but they improve their products regularly so that we don't feel the itch! Exactly, you don't care about Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki, 'cause might very well not be able to handle what they can offer when you wring the throttle. And there are better cruisers out there!
Woodman West -HD vs Metric  November 1, 2009 05:35 PM
Hey, HD has had FI for years, all big V twins are 6 speed. Lots of Carbed and 5 speed current model year metric cruisers out there. The V max was carbed until last.

At least HD understands thier market and builds to them. More and more the Japanese are building cruisers no one wants now the that boom is over.

Likely the best sellers metrics will be the ones that mimic the HDs closest. Roadstar and Voyager come to mind.

Pick up a copy of cycletrader. Full of dealer adds with 07 and 08 cruisers heavily discounted.
FB121 -Sore Spot  November 1, 2009 05:15 PM
Judging by some of the responses I can see why some ride Harleys.
Skip -Sketer  November 1, 2009 01:01 PM
Woo ho - Skeeter had his Ultra Wide whatever up to a whole 105 mph. My BMW will do that in 2nd gear and I don't have to dress up like a pirate to ride it either. How much did you spend on all that shit to make it go 105 mph? I would be real careful if your are riding a Harley 105 mph. Remember they are real old technology and not designed to run that fast. I would guess that 60 to 70 is the sweet spot on a Harley. Get a new tattoo, put on your village people outfit and ride your Harley.
Chris -Why U reading this?  November 1, 2009 10:41 AM
Interesting to see how many so-called bikers that are so anti-Harley do indeed read a multi-page article "2010 Harley Dyna Wide Glide First Ride". Must be a topic that really bothers you guys. I never in my live-time have nor will read an article abt a Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda or Sony-whatever bike because I just don"t care. I do care abt Harleys and as Bryan sayz, the WG is one nice ride. Full stop.
True Biker -HD Riders  November 1, 2009 10:36 AM
All you HD riders are so defensive, If you guys were not total snobs all these years maybe we wouldn't care what you ride. 35+ years of riding what ever I liked at that moment, Never good or American enough for somebody on a HD. RIDE WHAT YOU LIKE.
GB -HDBreeze  November 1, 2009 07:42 AM
dude i wanna hang out in your garage!!! hope ya heal quick.
Jim -do you have a heartbeat? vmax rules  November 1, 2009 02:15 AM
if the vmax does nothing for you than you are truely a harley sally who can't deal with the power. go buy a scooter.
skeeter -pool...VMAX  November 1, 2009 12:08 AM
Btw, the VMAX is not a cruiser! At best I would consider it a standard. It does not have a cruiser seating position or a sport bike seating position. The fuel range is terrible and the suspension is extremely stiff. It's unlikely that anyone is going to do any real touring on it. Yes, it is fast, but where would you ride it at it's limits? On race track, it would get lapped by better handling sport bikes. It might be fun to run on a 1/4 mile track or at the salt flats, but how many people that buy a VMAX have the balls to do that? On top of all that, it's ugly and overpriced. I'm a Harley rider and not a big fan of metric bikes, but when it comes to motorcyling, the VMAX has no purpose and does nothing for me.
skeeter -Skip  October 31, 2009 11:51 PM
Learn how to read! The article does not say that it has a top speed of "around 90". It says that while riding, the author kept the bike in 5th gear doing 80-90mph. I have had my Ultra Classic up to 105mph, so the Wide Glide should do around 115mph. The gas mileage should get better when it's broken in, because my 2009 Ultra Classic weighs way more, and I'm getting a solid 42mpg. Also, my bike has a K&N air filter, a Thunderheader 2-into-1 exhaust and a Power commander, and it dyno'd at 70.8hp and 97.2ft.lbs. of torque. I will agree with many of you that Harleys are not the most advanced machines on the road, but the performace you can get out of the motors is almost limitless. It all depends on how far you want to take it. Many of the metric cruisers still don't come with 6-speed transmissions and self cancelling turn signals! How's that for high tech? lol
HDBreeze -Beautiful motorcycle  October 31, 2009 11:09 PM
I live in America, where in theory everone is intitled to their own oppinion. For those of you that have seen my posts before, you know that I own and ride both metric sportbikes and Harleys. I also own a 1951 Vincent Rapide, a couple of antique Harleys, and a 1949 Indian Scout that I use for vintage racing. I just bought a 2009 Screamin' Eagle Road Glide that is amazing, and I still have my 2000 Road Glide as well. I thought about selling it when I bought the new one, but I can't seem to part with it. That bike is mostly stock with a Baker DD6, breather kit and Rinehart true duels, and it has never given me any problems ever. The mileage on it is around 174,000, it has never been rebuilt, never leaked any fluids, and even now will get 230 miles out of a 5 gallon tank of gas. I love all of my bikes for different reasons. Prior to buying my Screamin' Eagle, I was considering the purchase of a Yamaha Star Stratoliner Deluxe. I think the Strat-D is a hot looking bike. The point I'm tying to make is that I am obsessed with motorcycles, and I don't care what anyone rides. There are men and women in my club that ride all brands. It's all good to me! Harleys are not for everyone, and that's okay. I will say that when comparing metric v-twin cruisers to Harleys, I don't see any huge differences as far are pricing, mileage, weight, speed, etc. I'm talking apples to apples(ie Harley Street Glide and Star Stratoliner Deluxe}, and there are exceptions. Harley gets bashed for putting a 68 hp motor in their bikes, but what people always forget to mention is that they also put out 94 ft-lbs of torque. When I was a kid, I had a VW Bug that had 57hp motor that was air cooled, and I commuted 160 miles a day going back & fourth to college with no issues doing 80 mph on the highways. Getting back to the matter at hand... When I first seen the pictures of the 2010 Harley Wide Glide, I wasn't sure how I'd feel about it without the ducktail fender, which was one of the features that I always loved about that model. I stopped in my local dealer the other day to pick up some oil and a filter, and they had 3 new Wide Glides in. As it turns out, I love the new fender, and it goes well with the fat rear tire. It curves around the tire just right, not so with the Cross Bones(I hate the name of that bike!). The fat tire doesn't work well with the ducktail fender. It really is a nice looking bike with a good balance of chrome and black. I sat on it, and it felt nice. The fit and finish is excellent. They actually lowered the price around $3000 from the previous model, and I thinks it's a good buy. The Dynas ride nice and are versatile bikes. Love it, hate it, bash it, or buy it. To each his/her own! Ride safe and keep the rubber side down. That didn't work for me...I went down on my 49 Scout back in August during a vintage race. The bike made it through with some minor damage, but I ended up with 3 broken ribs, a tibial plateau fracture in my left leg, and a puminary embolism. I'm hoping to be back on two wheels again in 3 or 4 more weeks.
Butner -J Jackson  October 31, 2009 06:43 PM
“For all Harley haters, if you ain't got it, you will never get it. Yeah sure, it's loud, very pricey and outdated, but you have to understand that HD is an american icon and maybe one of the last american product that still made and assembled here by good ol american workers.I rest my case"...

J Jackson you used the word American not once but three times in your short post but did not even capitalize it once! But…but…you did capitalize Harley. Yeah you’re a real American…wanna be. I rest my case.

x2468 -europe  October 31, 2009 06:28 PM
I know europe isn't a country, I wrote that too quickly. my mistake.
x2468 -keep in mind  October 31, 2009 02:31 PM
japan and europe are 1st world countries as well. They have to pay their workers well too. It's not like HD is competeing with cheap mexican labor.
x2468 -an icon  October 31, 2009 02:29 PM
I understand that they're an icon and I don't have a problem with riding a cruiser that doesn't handle well and is outdated. It's retro, just like the triumph bonneville. But price it appropriatly. The only thing they have to spend their money on is advertizing and pay role, since we know they're not spending it on R&D or racing like the europeans and the japanese. And if pay role costs them that much, which I doubt it does, well.... are they a business or a charity?
Skip -What A Buy  October 31, 2009 10:38 AM
Lets see - $15,000 and I get about 65 HP, top speed of about 90 MPH and about 36 MPG. Damm, I am going to get my pirate clothes on and rush right out and buy one of these.
FB121 -Same Old Harley Davidson  October 31, 2009 08:44 AM
Lets see.... my Victory is more American made than any Harley, has a much smoother ride and can smoke your less American made Icon? I have just as much chrome and bling, the only thing I don't have is the potato exhaust sound of the Harley .. that you only hear sitting still. I like to ride though. Yes, I'll stick to something more modern and up to date, plus I got a 5 year warranty and a big ass smile when I turn my throttle!
Nick -Rode a Street Bob  October 31, 2009 08:32 AM
I liked the front end, and the quality materials, but I was not impressed by the engine.

I can see how someone would want one of these.
J Jackson -US made only  October 31, 2009 06:30 AM
For all Harley haters, if you ain't got it, you will never get it. Yeah sure, it's loud, very pricey and outdated, but you have to understand that HD is an american icon and maybe one of the last american product that still made and assembled here by good ol american workers.I rest my case...
vfrguy -more of the same!  October 31, 2009 03:03 AM
is it me, or do all these harleys look similar. do away with a bike (buell)that handles, brakes and accelerates well and give us land yachts. i ride deal's gap often and find the ups and fed-ex trucks all over the backs of the harleys. somethings don't change
pool -HD  October 31, 2009 12:49 AM
@Dennis: agreed, we must respect each other....happy riding
Dennis -HD  October 30, 2009 11:53 PM
Bikes are like women, different types for different men. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter whether you ride a Harley, Ducati like myself, or a scooter. Riding is riding. Riding a new Harley is like going back in time, and for some that's just the ride they are looking for.

I for one may never own one, but then most will never own an 1198s. To each their own.

Now if they would only bring back some of the race bikes from the early 1900's with the skinny's......


pool -HD o HD  October 30, 2009 10:08 PM
Ok hd has more 'soul', but i think HD can make a better and more advanced bikes like v-max without throwing their 'soul'. in my opinion V-Max is the best cruiser in the market even tough the price is very expensive, but v-max gives outstanding performance with cool classic style that everybody dreamed.
irksome -Perfect timing!  October 30, 2009 09:13 PM
So they dump Buell and give us this? A rerelease of an antiquated water buffalo. Oh wait, it's still air cooled. Harley is a brilliant marketing firm. Too bad they keep making motorcycles.
x2468 -wait, what am I saying.  October 30, 2009 08:17 PM
wait, now that I think about it that isn't priced well at all. $14,500??? it looks cool and all but I could get an aprilia RSV4 or the new BMW s1000RR for that much cash. It's really just a steal frame with a motor and suspension from years ago. If Harley charged.... $6,000 grand for it I'd understand. It's not like it has the technology or the performance to justify nearly 15 Gs. It is a good looking bike though.
x2468 -not bad  October 30, 2009 08:12 PM
Looks good for a harley. and priced well.
milwaukee mike -2010 wide glide  October 30, 2009 04:30 PM
Absolutely gorgeous and bargain priced. All it needs is some straight pipes. Great review!
Nate -selective hearing?  October 30, 2009 04:27 PM
I guess some of you jokers have only heard Harley's that are loud, never a sportbikes. As far as styling and technology go, if you don't like em' don't buy or read about em'. Does it really make you feel any better about yourself or your bike by spewing your hatred?
Skip -HD Crap  October 30, 2009 01:41 PM
Yea, stop at your local Harley dealer and check out the new line of 2010 belt buckles and do rags and get a new tattoo while your there. I must agree, I too am getting a little sick of the Harley crowd. I have about had it with there loud exhaust. In Stillwater, Mn the HD guys get a $600 ticket for not having stock exhaust on there bikes. Hurray for Stillwater. Now maybe other cities will adopt similar laws and we won't have to put up with the Harley idots showing off.
BD -No ones holding a gun to your head  October 30, 2009 12:36 PM
So if you hate them so much don't buy one....sheesh. Some people like to ride up to 80 and that's good. Others want to be able to do 140. Pick what you want.....FREEDOM OF CHOICE. And yeah it's bad enough doing battle with people not paying attention in cars, why do bikers have to hate other bikers because they ride a certain brand of bike. Big F____ING deal......just ride and enjoy YOUR ride.
Passing Thru -HD Crap  October 30, 2009 12:27 PM
I agree with HD Crap. I am so sick of those Morons that ride Harleys with there loud pipes. He is right, they dress up like the village people, ride bikes that are rolling antiques and just want to show off there loud exhaust. If they only knew what normal people say about them when they ride by. HD spends all of there R&D money designing new belt buckles, leather vests, t shirts and do rags. The people they sell there vintage motorcycles to are all getting older. When they get to old to ride HD is out of business. Younger people will not buy that outdated junk and they are not willing to dress up like a clown to ride one.
Desmolicious -Beautiful bike  October 30, 2009 12:05 PM
Sweet ride. The forward peg position does not work for me, which is why I have the mid mounts on my Street Bob.
Hutch -easy guy....  October 30, 2009 10:52 AM
To each their own bro. To each their own. IIn this era where we don't have enough allies as it is...where does it make sense to be such a hater?
No a HD Fan -HD Crap  October 30, 2009 10:20 AM
This is the same overpriced, overweight and underpowered crap HD has been putting out for years. HD is more interested in designing new belt buckles, t shirts and do rags than they are designing a decent motorcycle. Same old 1950 technology with a new paint job every year. The guys that like to dress up like a pirate and ride slow the the local bar for the Poke Run like harleys.
pool -nice  October 30, 2009 10:14 AM
if i see v-max, HD just like a kitten lol