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2010 Honda Stateline & Interstate First Ride

Thursday, April 22, 2010
The Stateline sports a more traditional look than the Sabre with its long  valanced fenders.
The 2010 Stateline features valanced fenders, wide retro-styled pullback handlebars and a blacked-out engine.
While the Sabre bears Honda’s torch for a factory bike with custom appeal it initiated with the Fury, the Stateline and Interstate lean more to the classic cruiser side of styling. Dynamically, the bikes are mirror images, with the only thing separating the two being the Interstate’s slew of touring accoutrements. But even though the pair dons a more traditional look, they still are styled much sportier than previous VTX models.

Let’s start with the Stateline. At first glance, it’s hard to differentiate it from the Sabre. But closer inspection reveals that its valanced fenders swoop down much more than the Sabre’s. The larger palette of the rear fender allowed Honda to deck it out with a larger, more triangulated taillight. While its downtubes feature the same curvature as the Sabre’s, a frame cover in the steering head eliminates a little of the open-aired nature of its pro-street sibling. Take a gander at its front wheel and you’ll notice that it’s much thicker and smaller, measuring in at a chunky 140mm wide and 17-inches tall. The bars are also positioned much differently. According to Bruno Conte, Senior Designer for Honda R&D Americas, the handlebars are 25mm higher, 62mm wider, and pull-back an extra 81mm. The seat is also wider. The other most noticeable difference is in the engine compartment, as the Stateline’s mill has received the blacked-out treatment. It also is available with the optional Combined Braking System (CBS), which links the rear brake to the front and engages one piston of the twin-piston caliper, along with ABS.

The bags on the 2010 Interstate have a combined 22-liters of volume and a hidden latch system.

The leather-wrapped bags on the 2010 Interstate have a combined 22-liters of volume and a hidden latch system. The dual exhausts (below) on the VT1300 cruisers puts out an impressive growl.

The dual exhausts on the VT1300 cruisers puts out a good growl.
Bodywise, the 2010 Interstate is a mirror image of the Stateline. It too has the larger, swoopy fenders, a meaty 140mm, 17-inch front wheel, and the blacked-out engine treatment. But there are differences. The upper portion of its 41mm fork is wrapped in chrome covers. The transition to touring machine includes a windscreen, 22-liter capacity leather-wrapped saddlebags, full-size floorboards, a heel-toe shifter and larger brake pedal. The fixed bags feature a hidden locking system and an adequately sized rectangular-shaped storage area. And while you’d think that out of all three of the VT1300 Series that should have ABS as an option it’d be the touring bike, it’s not available on the Interstate. When questioned about this fact, the only reason Honda offered was that it wanted to keep all the bikes under that magical $13,000 threshold, and the Interstate lists just below that at $12,749.

Firing up the Stateline, the first thing that’s immediately noticeable is its contrasting rider triangle compared to the Sabre. The bars are noticeably wider and higher. The reach to the foot controls is the same, but the seat is a little wider, and the combination positions me in a more relaxed upright riding posture. The extra sweep to the bars gives the illusion that the cockpit is smaller. The speedo sits even lower in my line of sight and is difficult to see.
The launch from a standstill is facilitated by the seamless fuel delivery of the PGM-FI. The powerband delivers good low- and mid-range torque, but lacks a little up top. Coming around a bend and over a rise, a California Department of Transportation truck painting a white stripe has traffic backed up. Our group doesn’t see it until we come blasting over the rise, resulting in an emergency braking situation. The 336mm big front disc with a twin-piston caliper has the feel but not a very aggressive bite. I mash the single-piston caliper on the 296mm disc on the rear, and granted the brakes don’t lock up easily, but the combination still isn’t providing enough power to bring a 672-lb bike to a halt for my liking. The front is the better of the two, and the back definitely is a little soft.
2010 Honda Stateline Specs
The 2010 Stateline features valanced fenders  wide retro-styled pullback handlebars and a blacked-out engine.
Engine - 1312cc liquid-cooled 52° V-twin
Bore/Stroke - 89.5mm x 104.3mm
Compression Ratio - 9.2:1
Induction - PGM-FI with automatic enrichment circuit, one 38mm throttle body
Ignition - Digital with 3-D mapping, two spark plugs per cylinder 
Valve Train - SOHC; three valves per cylinder
Transmission -  Five-speed
Final Drive - Shaft
Front Suspension - 41mm fork; 4.0 in. travel
Rear Suspension - Single shock; 3.9 in. travel
Front Brake - Single 336mm disc with twin-piston caliper
Rear Brake - 296mm disc with single-piston caliper
Front Tire - 140/80-17
Rear Tire - 170/80-15
Wheelbase - 70.1 in.
Seat Height - 26.7 in.
Curb Weight - 670 lbs (claimed wet weight)
Rake - 33° (Caster Angle)
Trail - 4.6 in.
Fuel Capacity - 4.4 gallons

Heading into a curvy section of CA-79, the wider tire feels more planted on the road, but the wider bars require more action in the twisty stuff in comparison to the Sabre. The four inches of travel on the front has enough give to smooth out road imperfections, but the hidden single shock on the rear doesn’t allow for any adjustment and its 3.9-inches of travel doesn’t give much and provides a rigid ride.

Switching to the Interstate, the ride quality is the same. I find the heel-toe shifter is much more rider-friendly than the standard foot controls of the other two, but it did resist shifting down into first gear on the first kick numerous times. While
A motley crew of motojournalists take a break at a scenic overlook just above Borrego Springs.
sitting at idle waiting my turn for photo passes, the engine emits nominal heat. I’ve mounted a GoPro camera on the tank which brings to light the amount of vibrations in the tank area, but it doesn’t transfer to the hand and foot controls. The windscreen is large, sitting just below eye level, but it doesn’t provide much protection from buffeting. I’m wearing a half-shell helmet and I’m getting a face-full of hot air, but it is deflecting the blast away from my chest.

Honda’s 2010 VT1300 Series covers the gamut, from what Big Red hails as its ‘big impact bike’ in the form of the Fury to a boulevard-cruising pro-streeter in the guise of the Sabre. The range includes a big-fendered cruiser with more traditional styling and a bike factory-equipped for the long haul. The styling of the VT1300 Series is a big leap forward for the traditionally conservative Japanese manufacturer. But the bikes maintain Honda’s reputation for performance and reliability. It’s an ambitious venture for the company, but Honda believes that there is enough variation in the VT1300 Series to appeal to almost every area of the cruiser demographic. With almost 83,000 VTX models sold, it’s hard to question their reasoning.

2010 Honda Stateline – MSRP $11,699. $12,699 with ABS. Black, Candy Dark Red.
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Daniel Hopkins -honda staline, to UK  November 11, 2010 11:25 AM
the honda shadow 750custom was a gem of a bike i ever had for 2 years, never broke down and allways started at the touch of a button, after warranty expired i part exxd for a 1200 sporster and im regretting ever getting rid of it, and questioning why i didnt stay with honda, its solid relable and has great smooth looking lines you could just sit and enjoy watching while listeneing to ya favourite tunes. :O) afetr seeing the new stateline ov found the bike i would truley love and should have upgraded to instead of buying my harley which i like, but do not love. so my question is, WHEN WILL THE NEW HONDA STATELINE BE ON SALE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM AS I LIVE THERE AND ARE BASED IN LEEDS, IF ANY 1 CAN TELL ME, PLEASE E-MAIL ME.


Thanks in advance for any1 who can help me out . :O)
paul -Was this not to be about the Stateline/Interstate/Sabre ???  September 20, 2010 01:39 PM
You Americans have issues. Reading the posts you think the artical was about the comparison between Harley & Metric
Its not. Stick to the top or go back to your narrow minded forums you belong to. Your posts are all trash.
Pitty they allow internet service in traller parks now.
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Joe Rider -FYI  August 10, 2010 09:48 PM
I owned a new 1989 H-D FLH Police Special. For all of you who really believe that they were/are made and or assembled in the USA here are some facts. After doing some alterations and upgrades I discovered stock Nippon Denso guages, Showa suspension, Nippon cables. Look again at your HOG and reply back with what you find.
EAB -Really???  May 11, 2010 05:06 AM
TBird....I ride with two guys that have Harleys and they RIDE. While they do pay more attention to appearance than I do, it's not obsessive, and they do stay in the saddle for a good long time. The one has a Wide Glide with a tick over 50,000 miles. It's oil tight and has only had a voltage regulator failure. Outside of that, she's bulletproof. The other guy has a brand new Electra Glide to replace the old Electra Glide 1340 evo he had. Seems it started to use a little oil after passing the 95,000 mile mark. He was pissed because he wanted to make it to 100K before having to do any engine work. There is a saying that goes "I love Jesus, but his followers are idiots." I don't take issue with Harley directly as my lack of desire for a cruiser is ALL cruisers. I have no desire to have 1500cc's of air cooled motor on my bike, be it a Yamaha or Harley. But the problems you state, that's the riders being morons. I have seen the same kind of idiot on a sportbike, Gold Wing, or Japanese cruiser. Harley doesn't have the market cornered on morons. Now morons dressed like pirates, well, that's another subject.. As far as the bikes burning that much oil, a quart or more a day, that's frankly, BS. I don't buy it. A modern "twinkie" doesn't drink oil like that. Hell, my buddy's 1975 Shovel doesn't use that much oil. I think you're blowin' smoke. In fact, I dont' buy the story. People that don't like riding; they don't RIDE for days on end. They drive, and put the Harley on a trailer.
Jackson -Harley - Great Ride  May 10, 2010 02:24 PM
A Harley is a great in-town ride to get you from one posing location to another. Other than that forget a Harley and buy a bike that can you can actually ride all day without something vibrating off of it.
T-Bird -Never Again  May 10, 2010 01:11 PM
Man after last week you can keep your dam Harley's. I rode from Chicago to Memphis and back with a group which included 5 Harley's. This was the worst trip of my life. The Harley guys had to stop every 60 to 70 miles to rest there hands, arms, butts and back. There bikes were noisy and just plain smelled if you rode behind them. I had to ride in front to avoid the god awful noise and smell. The Harley riders were the biggest bunch of complainers I ever meet. They about had a hear attack when it started to rain. When the rain stopped they had to pull over and get out there rags and polish all the chrome etc. We had to stop for gas every 100 miles or so with these guys. Never again will I be conned into riding anywhere with a bunch of morons like that again. I never in my life meet a bunch of babies like that bunch. I swear to God, absolutely everything they had with them had the Harley name on it. They were constantly comparing all there Harley crap with each other. Each morning one or two of the Harley's had trouble starting and each one burned more than a quart of oil each day. These were new bikes or less than 2 years old. What a waste of money. A Harley is best left for city streets and I will that experience I will keep my BMW.....
EAB -To each their own  May 10, 2010 06:12 AM
Just because I don't understand cruisers doesn't mean I am right. I make a God awful member of the biking community in most circles. Woodman's comments are tame compared to the vial comments I hear from the sportbike community.
WoodmanWest -EAB?  May 8, 2010 02:20 PM
Aint no mo better bike for max smiles per gallon than a big Ole slow lumpy (air cooled and carbeD...OH THE HUMANITY) V twin bagger. Cruising ALONG AT 70 MPH or leaning on the Dragon until the floorboards scrap.

Check the speedo, (in the gas tank where it belongs) beachbars (apes optional) all shiny. Tach, what tach, aint needin no tach acause no reason EVER to rev past 5500 rpm.

I know I anit got electronicmic controled automatiatic speed senseing passenger footpegs and electrically heatedeanemed clutch levers. Boohoohoo.
Life is good. 60% of all motorycle buyer no this.

EAB -WoodmanWest ...question  May 8, 2010 09:00 AM
What the hell kind of kool aid have you been drinking? Cruisers are a lot of things, but fun? hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
WoodmanWest -to TourMan  May 7, 2010 05:47 PM
So move to Europe, gas is only $9/gal and the best selling bikes are 125cc. Who cares what sells over there.

I say they have it all wrong. I have a 4 wheel drive, fully loaded SUV for when I do not feel like taking the Bagger or Bobber. Or i just tow them along and unload when I get to the dragon.

I live in the USA and I ride a cruiser. The reason we buy these bikes in such ever increasing numbers is becuase we are right! They are more fun to ride. All the Euro/sport/touring/lierbike/naked/cafe/latest/techno-trend sales combined do not equal cruiser sales.

Cruisers are simply more fun to ride and better looking bikes.
TourMan -Cruisers????  May 7, 2010 02:18 PM
Spend some time in Europe and you will learn what a motorcycle is. The U.S. market is 60% or so cruiser sales. These bikes are useful for riding around town and that is about it. Cruisers are not meant to be touring bikes. They are too heavy and uncomfortable for that. The Europeans use a motorcycle for daily transportation and touring vacations. They laugh at our cruiser lifestyle. The motorcycle manufactures only import a limited line-up of there bikes due to the large cruiser market in the U.S. Large displacement bikes are a unknown in Europe. In the U.S. bigger is better. I see so many cruiser riders stopped at gas stations flexing there fingers because they are numb and trying to get the circulation back in there ass. They all complain of sore butts and sore backs and numb fingers. It doesn't make any difference what brand of cruiser as they are all the same. I do see more Harley riders complaining about vibration though. I ride a light weight sport touring bike and I can ride all day with out any fatigue. I have a 7 gallon fuel tank and can go up to 350 miles with out stopping if need be. So, keep your cruisers in town and ride around with your loud exhaust and irritate everyone in town so I will not have to listen to them on the highway.
EAB -RJ is right...  May 7, 2010 07:21 AM
One up riding, even around the world, can be done very easily on 750cc's or less. In fact, the companies used to make the bikes big and comfortable without strapping on 1500-2000cc's of engine. It's simply not needed. It's all about money. While folks are arguing about this cruiser and a Harley being a good value at the 12-15K pricepoint, all parties are universally opposed to the new Honda NT700 because, at 10K, it's "too much for a 700cc. Of course, that 700cc twin will run with any bike on legal roads at legal speeds, but it's the mindset. The VTX1300 is $4000-5000K more than Honda's 750cc cruiser but really, do you think at 70MPH you are going to notice a difference? Do you think you are going to notice a $4000K difference? It wasn't that long ago that the 1340cc Evolution was more than adequate for an Electra Glide Ultra and now that's considered a midsized engine? And for what? I have sat on the large displacement bikes and I unless you are pulling a trailer and fully loaded like a Gold Wing, they serve no purpose beyond emptying your wallet and, in some circles, pumping up your ego.
EAB -Cruisers in general...  May 7, 2010 06:34 AM
...are a waste of my time. Many years ago I had a 1979 CX500 Deluxe with a full Vetter touring treatment. The engine was a pushrod V-Twin that would pull from 1000RPM and delivered 50HP. I could ride at 75MPH all day and pull 55MPG, sitting behind the windjammer and listening to tunes. I still can't understand how a modern cruiser is better in any way than that 30 year old machine. Chrome and noise? Eh, I just like to ride. These days, compared to my old CX, the engines are three times the size and because of that, they are oh so cool. Give me a break. Metal/plastic or 1300/1600/2000cc's, they are all more image machines than anything useful. I have an older friend of mine that has one, and complains (yes, no joke) about how "motorcycles" hurt his back, vibrate at speed, and are so heavy for his legs to hold up. However, he loves the sound (**ROLLEYES**). I told him my current bike, a Honda Hornet 600 (599 for you Americans) has no such issues, will outrun is 1900cc cruiser in third gear, and is ultimately a better bike to RIDE. The punch line in all of this is that many say it was overpriced in the USA at $7399, but that's about HALF the cost of a big twin from any manufacturer. Since it implements new technology and an inline 4 configuration, it makes much more performance than a V-twin. Currently, the bike has around 25K miles on it and has asked for no corrective fixes. The previous rant has been made in regards to overpowered, uncomfortable sportbikes. Motorcycles should not be heard, drooled over, or used as a crutch for a mid life crisis or a small p*n8s. They are meant to RIDE. So, by a comfortable functional bike...they cost considerably less than a cruiser, and RIDE!
Skip -Harley - Gold Standard????  May 6, 2010 08:45 AM
Mr. Moe states that Harley is still the gold standard in cruising bikes? Now there is a statement that is hard to believe unless it comes from a Harley rider. The Honda Gold Wing is light years ahead of anything that HD has on the road today. The Gold Wing makes a Harley look like the out dated antique that they are. So, lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Harley was selling a motorcycle to anyone who could walk or crawl in the door with there HDFS financing. That has come back to bite them in the ass. HD had to borrow 650 million from Warren Buffet to bail out HDFS at 15% interest. If the bank would not lend me money for a motorcycle that's OK because the local Harley dealer would. Today's newspapers are flooded with used low mileage Harley's at very low prices. These are the people that HDFS lent money too that should not have been given a loan. They could not afford the bike in the first place. HDFS will end up with these bikes and will have to hang onto them as to not flood the market with used Harley's and further reduce there low value. Harley Davidson has put themselves in this mess. They have refused to update there product and the competition has passed them by. The air cooled v-twin should be put in a museum and the Porsche designed V-Rod motor should be used in all there bikes.
Coon -What? A12K Harley?  May 4, 2010 09:20 PM
Try asking a HD dealership to show ya a new bike for 12K.They might find a sportster to show ya, or ask ya what ya been smoking. Why do we need any thing bigger. How big must we go? Are we all going to end up on a Boss Hog or bigger.The "Fonz" was "cool" and he rode a 500cc BSA. When I started riding, we would ride cross country on 650 or smaller hardtail. Now they make the bike look like a hardtail, but call it a softail. The bigger the cc the bigger the ego.
RJ -1312cc liquid-cooled 52° V-twin  May 4, 2010 02:16 PM
Metric or Harley, I laugh when I see direct comparisons between the 1300cc to the 1450cc 88ci HD or even the 96 ci which is what a 1570cc motor? First off, the degree offset, crank, bore, valve size, etc.. produces very different results so don't let the sole displacement number be the only determining factor. Whether you rejet or re-map the FI on a 1300, and open up the factory restricted air flow, you'll end up giving any HD other than the Vrod a good run for their money. Also fire a rock through your belt @ Deals Gap, because it's not a frequent occurance but does happen, especially 2K miles away from home and you might start having second thoughts about the benefits of that shaft drive everyone seems to bash. Anyway it doesn't matter trying to convince anyone that all brands have advantages and disadvantages. It's all about what you want, need, can fit on properly for your build, and can actually afford for a ride. You either love or hate the metrics and a wise man is one that still knows he has much to learn so let's see how to leverage the good points toward the brand you feel so loyal. The company I want to be loyal to is the one that actually listens to the consumer and doesn't produce a turd that your supposed to except and settle for less because they say it's cool...
Schwack -Another review  May 3, 2010 09:22 AM
Finally another popular online motorcycle mag reviewed the Honda Stateline and gave it a positive review, even mentioning the plastic fenders. So I'll definitely test ride it soon.
Moe -Harley this and harley that...  May 3, 2010 07:51 AM
I love how the metric boys hatin on Harleys harp on "outdated" and "old" technology...well if thats the case then why the hell is Harley still the gold standard in cruising bikes?....if they look old then why are ALL the jappers copying the look of them?...adding liquid cooling to a metric engine isn't exactly leading the way in the tech dept. What has the metric bikes reall done other than add liquid cooling and bigger displacement?...NOTHING!! Harleys, aside from the VRSC line are for crusing..they dont try to be something they're not.. Loose tolerances!!?? that was the case when AMF ran Harley but hasnt been the case since they left to stand on they're own. A v-twin by its very nature is a simple and unique engine platform...stop trying to make it something its not!...You can't stand the fact that there are tons of riders out there that appreciate the nostalgia, simplicity, beauty and feel of a HD twin...I used to own an 82 Honda magna, good bike in its own right but it didnt have the feel of my HD's. I currently own 3 HDs..and none have ever given me burning oil, leaking, engine issues, etc...only things they have ever given me were wonderful trips, laid, good times, and great memories...so get over it and ride your wannabe bike that only has 5 possible accessories, chitty aftermarket support, one and done dealerships, and the worst re-sale value possible.
Slippery -Noise - No More  April 29, 2010 02:21 PM
My community has passed a noise ordinance that takes effect on May 1st. All motor vehicles must have original equipment exhaust systems and a catalytic converter. This is in response to a flood of local citizens complaining about mainly the Harley's with there straight pipes and or custom mufflers. Of all the loud motorcycles in my community about 90% of them are Harley's. I suppose this will have a huge effect on the local Harley dealer because he is screaming lawsuit. I doubt anyone will buy a Harley from him now as the only reason the majority of Harley's are sold is because the buyer likes to show off with loud exhaust. A return to peaceful streets in my community with no more show-offs on there loud Harley's.
WoodmanWest -Dave response  April 29, 2010 12:32 PM
Yea Dave, nuttin bad could ever come out of Illinois. Dat be change I can belib in!
stink rat -owner  April 28, 2010 05:03 PM
only 85mph? my carb '06vtx1300c is much faster. The new vt looks nice but getting pricey,wonder if the pipes will fit my X.
Dave -Noise  April 28, 2010 04:32 PM
There are laws in a couple small Illinois towns specifically outlawing the use of a Harley Davidson on public roads. It's just too bad that this isn't more wide spread because these people on these bikes are a nuisance to the community.
Woodman West -HOG stock  April 28, 2010 12:02 PM
Actually it fell to $8 and was $16 a year ago. $33 right now. I can live with those numbers in these challenging times.

They will still sell 200,000+ big, expensive bikes this year. More than all the Metrics combined in the big cruiser catagory.
No Noise -EAB Makes Good Point  April 28, 2010 09:35 AM
EAB makes a very good point on the noise issue. It is a fact that Harley sales are tied directly to there engine sound. More and more communities (mine included) are passing noise ordinances. This is mainly due to Harley riders showing off with loud exhaust. This is going to have a huge impact on Harley sales. Almost all Harley buyers want the loud exhaust and that is the reason they buy the bike. If they were not allowed to have the loud obnoxious exhaust then they would not buy a Harley. A nation wide ban on loud exhaust and limiting bikes to factory exhaust only would definitely put HD out of business. Harley recently wasted 4 million dollars on a sound lab. It is a room that they invite the public into to listen to motorcycle engine sounds and then vote of the best sound. This is how HD spends R&D money. Not improving there product but only improving the "sound". Ride to Pretend & Pretend to Ride....
Dude -WoodmanWest  April 28, 2010 09:02 AM
harley stock was once at around $79 a share if i remember, then fell to about $20 and now is $40. love your math!!!
EAB -TOURER, Smelly Harley? Here's why  April 28, 2010 07:52 AM
Harley's come out of the factory with a restrictive exhaust and the fuel injection leaned out to the limit to limit emissions. As long as one leaves the factory exhaust or a Harley aftermarket STREET exhaust on the bike, all is well. However, most of the dealers tell the owner to get the "Stage 1 kit" (MONEY MONEY MONEY) which basically fattens up the fuel/air mixture, allowing the bike to run a little better and a little cooler as it has more fuel in the mixture. This is a requirement for the less restrictive pipes as one must fatten up the fuel mixture if they are to run straights. As far as the noise, I am with you. Regardless of manufacturer or type of bike, not using an EPA street exhaust that is sound limited is the adult equivalent of putting playing cards in your spokes on a bicycle. Loud pipes save lives? Get a grip. Furthermore, hearing the squid get on his Harley and run threw the gears hard, hitting 4th before they hit 30MPH is embarrassing and obnoxious. Same goes for the sport bikes. Have some respect and consideration for others. Loud pipes do NOT make you look cool and they don't make people assume your junk is larger because of the sound.
WoodmanWest -Future  April 28, 2010 05:28 AM
I guess that is why HD stock is up over %100 in the last year. Becuase things are so bad!

HD is doing just fine, selling lots of bikes and actually keeping most dealers open.

This is an article about Honda, remeber them. You might be the only one!! Cause this crap aint selling!!
Future ??? -Missing The Point  April 28, 2010 05:13 AM
It really does not make much difference if a Harley has plastic or doesn't have plastic or smells. The big problem Harley Davidson has is massive debt and shrinking sales. Harley owes 650 million at 15% interest for the HDFS bailout, HD lost 125 million on the Buell mistake, HD had a huge new building built for Buell production and signed a long term lease. That lease has to be bought out for millions of dollars as the brand new building now sits empty. Just the interest on the HDFS loan is almost 100 million a year. Harley is in deep shit and does not seem to notice. There demographic is the 50 to 60 year old biker who will buy a bike and then, hopefully a lot of the Harley aftermarket crap. Harley needs to get rid of the aging air cooled motor and use the Porsche designed V-Rod motor in all there bikes and possibly design a new V-4. Of course Harley can't design anything right now because they are basically broke. There new CEO is a total moron for closing Buell as the younger buyers avoid a Harley like the plague. Right now Harley has too many bikes in the line-up with too many stupid names like Fat Bob and Cross Bones and Night Train. Right now the future of Harley Davidson looks pretty dim and it will be there own fault for not looking ahead and just assuming that they could make the same outdated bike forever. I could easily see a buyout of HD with the new company pairing down the current line-up to maybe 3 to 5 models, all with the V-Rod motor. Put new cash into R&D and design a modern v-4 motor. Harley will be around in the future but maybe not as the company that you see today.
Victory Rider -Tourer is Right  April 28, 2010 04:45 AM
Wow, Mr Desmolicious has a Harley that he claims does not burn oil or produce the famous Harley smell if someone is riding behind him. Maybe he should let someone ride his bike and he should ride behind them or he has a one off Harley and it should be in a museum. Who really cares anyway - its a Harley. I have been riding motorcycles for over 40 years and I have never ridden behind a Harley that didn't stink. It is an air cooled motor with loose tolerances and there is a lot of blow-by on a Harley and it is unpleasant for anyone riding behind a Harley.
Mcguire4hire -sewer rat  April 28, 2010 12:28 AM
I've never owned a Honda cruiser but I rode a friends VT 1800 and it is a beast. One question though, when did a 1300 become a mid sized bike. I mean I know its smaller than a VT1800, a Vulcan 2000, and a Triumph rocket but its still a big bike. Maby they are talking performance. I thought my Royal star TD was strong until I bought an Aprilia Millie and I found out what the Italians (well Austrians) can get out of a 1000cc V twin. That was really an Eye opener. Now I use the cruiser simply for cruising and looking at the scenery...the scenery I missed when I went by on the Aprilia.
milwaukee mike -VT1300s  April 27, 2010 07:03 PM
A lot of readers think that I'm only pro-HD and always critize metric products, but just look at the majority of the comments below and you will see that i am right.

Let's just say that metric bikes are a waste of money.
Desmolicious -Fantastic tales to prove a point!  April 27, 2010 11:21 AM
You can tell when someone is lying by the over elaborate story they write to prove a point as to how bad Harleys are. I guess they think is they add lots and lots of detail, then it is believable!
Watcher - claims some dood is painting plastic pieces for Harley in some backyard shop. I ask him to elaborate so I can locate these pieces - no comment.
Tourer - claiming he smells of oil smoke and the bikes get terrible gas mileage etc. All the Harleys I've ridden get between 40-50mpg. The Eglides come with 6 gallon tanks, so that's an almost 300 mile range. None that I have ridden or owned burn oil or smoke, but why confuse fact with fiction?

Keep coming up with these amazing tales, it makes for some funny reading!
Tom -Typical...  April 27, 2010 09:44 AM
Other (normal) bikers have been riding bikes with plastic on them since the '60s... Off course that can't be good enough for the only (self-proclaimed) 'real bikers', the cruiser folks.

"If a 1920's 'all metal' bike was good enough for my grand dad, then it's good enough for me, you dirty moderners! " Goddamn regressionists. Only because it sounds better when you knock on it? I tend to ride my bike, not park it next to the local pub and go knocking on all the bodywork for an hour with a beer in my hands.

Have you taken a look at a modern car recently?

You can't tell the difference between a premium painted plastic part and a metal one (unless you touch it of course). Now, I DO AGREE THAT PLASTIC SHOULDN'T BE CHROMED. It reminds me of those build-it-yourself scale bikes. I also can't imagine it staying top notch quality for a decade. Then again, cruiser folks want 'blingy stuff' so no chrome would only p*ss them off.

I can only see the upsides
-less expensive to repair when you put your bike down
-no dents
-no rust
-makes the bike less expensive

Or do you really think that a similarly styled bike could sell for 11.500 dollar? Compare this to other 1300cc cruisers and it's hardly more expensive, yet the styling is much more individual and much more custom than for example the yamaha star 1300 (very traditional bike)

I also like the shaft, makes the wheel stand out really nice (and the shaft itself is cleanly subtle as well, not the drive axle found on a typical suzuki C109R)

Get rid of much of the chrome and this would be my bike if sold in Europe. I'd have this liquid cooled 1300cc any day over an aircooled 96ci harley powerplant. I bet they produce almost the same power. And for decades the harlista excuse was: 'it is not about power' and '50hp is more than enough to haul your ass around'. Now suddenly it isn't anymore??? Get a grip.

Anyway, this is exactly what I wanted to fury to be (fury is too far out there, so thanks honda for bringing this to market)
Not a Harley Rider -Tourer  April 27, 2010 05:40 AM
This is an interesting forum. I think this plastic thing is pointless. I was asked yesterday to go on a 1,200 mile ride to the Dragon with a group of 10 Harley riders. I turned down the invite. Why? First of all they only ride 300 miles a day due to excessive vibration. They stop for gas every 100 miles or so due to poor gas mileage. I do not want to listen to there loud exhaust all day. And most of all, unless I ride in front of the group all day I would have to smell there burnt oil exhaust. I have ridden with these guys a lot and unless I am in the front my clothes smell like burnt oil. Every time they stop these guys are shaking there hands to get the tingling out of them and rubbing there ass because of the vibration. These bikes are various types of Harley's. I always ask them why in the hell they ride such a terrible riding motorcycle and I always get the same stupid answer. They like the Harley culture and most of all the engine sound. So, plastic or not I would not ride a Harley. I can go 350 miles before I have to get gas, my bike does not vibrate me to death, is not loud and most of all it is not an outdated Harley.
Steve 86 -Who Cares- Plastic???  April 27, 2010 05:08 AM
There is no way I would even consider a Harley Davidson. Every other bike on the market is light years ahead of Harley. A Harley is a dated motorcycle that needs serious attention in the technology department. The engine is best used as boat anchor and should be replaced. They are overweight and really overpriced. As far as the moron comments about plastic - I will take the better motorcycle and who cares if it has some plastic. When Harley and there idiot dealers get in the real world I will consider a Harley. Until then a Victory and a Honda are in my garage. Harley Davidson is basically bankrupt so I do not see any improvements in the future. But really - what has Harley improved in the past 10 years? Maybe they got a new color and more chrome and louder exhaust.
Desmolicious -Best bike for the money? Look elsewhere.  April 26, 2010 04:29 PM
Perfect example is mo-usa's recent cruiser comparo test. Bike that came in last was the Honda 750. More expensive than the Harley 883 in the test, less power, smaller engine, shaft drive (not belt like the Harley), plastic everywhere, drum rear brake (Harley has disc) etc etc.

Now upsize that test to this Honda 1300 and it's pretty much the same result. Mor expensive than it's competitors but offereing less motor, fit/finish etc. If you want Japanese, look to the other mfgs for great value with their cruisers.
Schwack -Jap Crap??  April 26, 2010 02:52 PM
Jason - I don't care if the bike was made in Japan, Germany, Korea.....I want the best bike for my $$$$. Simply put. Also, I have to admit I was a bit turned off at the HD stores I visited over the weekend. It was my first time in HD stores and man....you talk about the amount of space dedicated to their clothing accessories. Wow. It was like 80% merchandise and the rest for used and new motorcycles.
Desmolicious -Harley has not raised prices  April 26, 2010 12:16 PM

Your dealer is trying to gouge you.
BigBoy -Honda fit and finish!!??  April 26, 2010 12:02 PM
You clowns that harp on Hondas fit and finsh "advantage" over a Harley or any other American bike need to get your eyes checked soon. No comparison. The jap bikes have ugly azz stamped tank seams, cheap plastic control housings, chrome plated plastic parts, half assed front end cable configurations, cheap components overall....yeah thats a tough act to follow...psshhhhh.
Matt -Weirdness  April 26, 2010 12:01 PM
It would appear the prices on the website are back to what they were last week. I bet HD got some angry calls about that one =0!
ron -Another plastic distaster  April 26, 2010 11:54 AM
This bike has zero character.
jason -more plastic  April 26, 2010 11:52 AM
jap crap....as long as they keep makin em like this the more I like my american made bike...
GB -plastic fantastic  April 26, 2010 10:40 AM
"Can I interest you in a Timex for the same price as a Rolex?"
you got to be kidding me? you're comparing a HD to a rolex? maybe a casio watch. you know, the ones that work for a year then break......
Hecklerboy -Website still show $11,999...  April 26, 2010 08:16 AM
The Harely website still shows $11,999 for a 2010 Dyna Superglide

Matt -Brian K  April 26, 2010 04:33 AM
This would appear to be pretty unique Brian. I don't recall any other manufacturers retro-actively changing their MSRP like this. As somebody who was in the potential market for one I have to say I am disappointed and a little confused. I am not sure how this would help cure their current sales slump but I figure it may have more to do with pleasing the stock holder rather than the consumer. On a side note I think the new Honda's are a good step towards modernizing the 1300 line but would like to see the engine upped in power a bit. And also a limited chromed wheel version would be nice too.
MItch -Brian  April 25, 2010 09:06 PM
Yea my cousin was looking to get a Street Glide over the weekend and he ran into the same sticker shock as well. At first he thought the sales guy was trying to gouge him for 3 extra grand but apparently it's true. MOCO has raised their prices across the board by thousands of dollars per model. And you are right, even the 09 model prices have been uped as well. I have to believe HD is forced to do this out of despiration but I guess I didn't think things in Milwaukee were THAT pessimistic =0.
Brian K -Harley jacked their prices up last week! So much for the Super Glide =(  April 25, 2010 08:24 PM
All this talk about the Super Glide as being an value leader over the Honda is no longer an issue. I went to check it out at the HD dealership and they told me that the SG was $14,500. I insisted the website said that the 2010 was around $12k so they showed it to me and indeed Harley had jacked up their prices last week IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MODEL YEAR! Even the 09 they had was a higher price. I have never heard of anyone doing this before. Is this normal for them?!
Schwack -Stateline more stylish  April 25, 2010 01:10 PM
I agree....the stateline is more stylish to me. I visited the local HD stores yesterday to look at the Dyna Super Glides. They look nice and felt good....just to me, I think I like the Stateline "retro" look than the Dyna Super Glides. My 2 cents.
Keith -Honda more stylish?  April 25, 2010 10:04 AM
Must be, that's why the dealers will have to discount this by $3000 to sell them.
Keith -Superglide  April 23, 2010 11:36 PM
May be in the same price range, but the Harley retains a "classic" look to put it charitably, while the Honda is much sleeker and more stylish. Harley's may retain their value better, but I'd happily buy one of these used over a Harley any day, plastic be damned. Also, 1300 is perfect for a mid-range cruiser, if you want bigger, buy bigger. Honda Rebels don't need 1800cc's and neither does this bike.
John -Plastic detector  April 23, 2010 04:05 PM
Hmmmm... vanilla looking but at least Honda tried with all that plastic chrome! Wonder what else they cheesed out on that you CAN'T see? If you want a "metric" cruiser, get a Star--they still use METAL on their machines. PLASTIC???? REALLY???? Hey! Why don't you mention all that crappy plastic in the ad copy--errrr, "review" of the 1300's? I figure in a few years, your bike would look like utter butt and that is rather important to know before laying down the cash. Plastic? Come on Honda, at least pretend you give a !@#$!!
V-Rider -Nice Bike!!!  April 23, 2010 04:02 PM
This is a nice motorcycle and the Star line of bikes and the Victory line are all very good bikes also.To me Harley's are overpriced for there old technology. If Harley would put the V-Rod motor in there cruiser line up it would help sales a lot. The local Harley dealer was acting like he has the only motorcycles for sale in the world. I am waiting for a new Victory Cross Country. My local dealer has sold his allotment and is getting me one from another dealer. It will be here next Tuesday....
Desmolicious -Schwack - Check out the Kawi 900 cruisers  April 23, 2010 02:37 PM
Great bikes, nice power, not too much for beginners. Look really nice, great prices too.
Woodman West -Desmo, rifght with you  April 23, 2010 02:29 PM
Desmo, right there with you. Go tap on the tank dash panel of a $18k
Vulcan Voyager. It is awkward to watch the sales person face as the crack of cheep plastic echos thru the often empty showroom.

These bikes are already $4-5k off current models on ebay. The cheep batwng on a $17K Stratoliner deluxe (without a radio at that price) is just as bad.

One thing though, Star never mad an 1800cc cruiser as you stated earlier. The Roadstar is a 1700 the Roadliner is an 1900cc!
Schwack -Too Much Power?  April 23, 2010 12:51 PM
Plastic, the other concern is anything powerful than a 1300cc for me might be too much. I talked to a few dealers and they said for me, I should stay around the 1300cc range since I'm a newbie.
Desmolicious -Plastic parts on a Harley  April 23, 2010 10:29 AM
Watcher. Interesting story about your buddy painting plastic parts for Harleys..
What parts are these exactly? Because I don't see any such thing on my bike. Seriously, let me know so I can go down to the garage and confirm your tale.
Plastic Fantastic -Buyer's remorse  April 23, 2010 10:25 AM
Must really suck when you buy that 1300cc Honda for the same money as a 1600cc Harley...

Can I interest you in a Timex for the same price as a Rolex?


Peace out plastic people!
Watcher -Plastic Parts?  April 23, 2010 08:49 AM
Harley dealers are all about selling you stuff after your purchase. Take a look at a typical Harley dealer. 80% of the floor space is devoted to t-shirts, do-rags, clocks, ash trays, belt buckles and such. That is the Harley "lifestyle" and that is what they are trying to get you into. Buy a Harley and you will be back spending thousands on the rest of the crap. Most of there bikes are in the 60 to 70 hp range so they can sell you a performance kit for 3 or 4 thousand dollars to get the hp up to at least equal to the competition. As far as plastic parts go there is a guy that lives near Guttenberg, Iowa that paints parts for HD. I was in his shop. HD sends him boxes of plastic parts and he airbrushes whatever color HD wants. Believe me they are ALL PLASTIC as I stood there and watch him. The parts all come from China or Taiwan.
Schwack -Other options  April 23, 2010 07:14 AM
Hey Smittie...thanks for the info. Yeah, I didn't think about HD for I thought they'd be out of my price range and financing. However, I'll look at them this weekend or so but still concerned they may be at the upper tier of my budget. At least with an '09 Honda, I would think I'd be able to negotiate a better deal than a HD. You confirmed my research in which HD's will throw in merchandise rather than lowering the price. On the Stateline, I liked the liquid cool & fuel injection. Didn't think about the tank seam and the so-called plastic parts. Not sure how that would affect my overall decision......
Smittie -Schwack - another option  April 23, 2010 06:58 AM
The thing is that the metric dealers actually cut deals, and H-D dealers give you a t-shirt with your purchase. Suppose you like the style of the Star Roadliner, which has been ranked best cruiser several years running, you can pick up an '09 for well under $12k and get a lot more bike than the VTX. I do like the VTX models, but think they should have taken the motor up to 1,500 cc. And to me water in the block is just another system prone to failure.
Skipper -skip1380@yahoo.com  April 23, 2010 04:49 AM
There is no comparison with build quality on a Harley vs any other bike. The Harley is inferior in almost all categories. The Harley crowd will never give up though defending there outdated and overpriced brand. Harley's days are numbered unless they regroup and start improving there line of aging bikes. The air cooled motor should be put in a museum and the Porsche designed V-Rod motor should be used along with a new V-4. I have seen a poster compare the Honda Gold Wing to a Harley. This is pure stupidity! The Honda Gold Wing will outclass any Harley. A Harley is light years behind a Gold Wing - good God lets get serious here. Comparing a Harley with a Gold Wing - I can't believe the pure stupidity.
Les -clone != custom  April 22, 2010 07:59 PM
Why do these bikes make me think of vanillia ice?

There was a time when honda lead. Now they follow.

Stick a inline 750 in there or something. Maybe a v4. Do we really need a billion versions of the same old 'american' bike?
The Dude -Huh...  April 22, 2010 04:58 PM
All of these models huddle into the $12,000 price point that, as pointed out, is also home to the Dyna Super Glide. I have to say that it seems that the Honda 1300s will be outmatched in this category not only by virtue of their less bountiful torque curves, but in that H-D does have superior paint, chrome, and detailing, nevermind the price! I don't think this will end well for Honda... The Japanese marques used to be able to boast superior value for the dollar - with inflation going the way it has been, that advantage has been pretty much wiped out in this market!
Desmolicious -Nice gas tank seam  April 22, 2010 03:46 PM
Guess that's part of the legendary Honda fit and finish!

Desmolicious -Are you kidding me  April 22, 2010 03:37 PM
This Honda puts down much less power and torque than the Harley (for the same money). My last Hondas were the Wing 1800, the Valk Interstate and the Wing 1200 before that. I've also ridden a couple of their cruisers.
Harley has had fuel injection on all it's big cruisers for years now, Honda just introduced it last year on the 1300s..
The shaft drive is no where near as smooth as the belt drive, which is why Yamaha went to belt on their fantastic big 1800cc cruisers.
The switchgear of the Honda cruisers is very cheap and plasticky compared to the Harleys - check it out. Paint and chrome is much worse too. The plastic chrome on my Hondas wore dull after a couple of years and you can't polish that back because it is basically silver paint that is now gone leaving a plastic underside.
The only Honda that has paint equal to Harleys is the new VFR1200.
Maybe you should own Hondas and Harleys like I have done so you can compare?

Bottom line, with this new 1300cc Honda you could have got a 1600cc Harley for the same money. W/o all the plastic and tank seams.
Bill -Who wants a Harley?  April 22, 2010 01:33 PM
Desmo-This is a modern liquid cooled, fuel injected bike, the Harely is not. And shaft drives are plenty smooth, thats why they are used on nearly all modern sport tourning bikes. And did you just question the switch gear and fenders of the Honda?? I guess you're not aware of Honda's legendary build quality and high levels of fit and finish. The Honda destroys a Harley in these two categories.
Desmolicious -Are you kidding me?  April 22, 2010 11:22 AM
$12K for this Honda.

Same as the Harley SuperGlide....

Except the Honda is covered with plastic chrome, has lousy switch gear, plastic fenders, shaft drive instead of smoooooth belt, a much smaller engine and that amazingly cheap looking fugly gas tank seam.

Robert T. -Nice Ride  April 22, 2010 11:13 AM
I have a riding buddy with a Interstate and I have swapped bikes with him to test it out. It is a good ride with a nice sound. With almost 35,000 miles on it he has had no problems whatsoever. He added a Givi windscreen and a Sargent seat. Very nice ride and he gets around 45 mpg average all day.
Schwack -Nice Review  April 22, 2010 10:03 AM
Ever since I saw these bikes at the local Honda shop a few weeks ago, I've been waiting on some reviews! I'm looking for an entry bike and was looking at the Stateline. I wanted the Fury but it's a bit out of my price range and the lack of the low financing. After reading this review, I might have to check out the Stateline again! Thanks for the review!!!
Nick -Good write up  April 22, 2010 09:47 AM
If there's anything I hate, it's an "informational" article that's just ad copy. This, on the other hand, is informative and entertaining.

The bike itself is okay. I think it would have been better if Honda had punched the motor out to 1500 cc's to make up some of the performance gap between the 1300 and the 1800. But I like the style.