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2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R Comparison

Friday, March 20, 2009
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Kawasaki ZX-6R
MSRP: $9,799
Horsepower: 105.87 hp @ 12,200rpm
Torque: 42.75 lbs.-ft. @ 11,200rpm
Weight: 422.3 lbs w/fuel, 396.7 lbs w/o fuel
Superpole Time: 1:20.23 (Atlas)
¼ Mile: 11.11 @ 133.74mph
Top Speed: 164.25 mph
 Overal Ranking: 1st-place!
Had the 2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R not been green, it's doubtful any of us would have even recognized it!

Remember that total nerd in high school? Coke-bottle glasses, spent way too much time in the library on his ‘computer,’ played Dungeons and Dragons… You know, the one all the cheerleaders laughed at and the only reason you would invite to parties was to be the butt of practical jokes? Now fast forward to your 10-year reunion. Here comes that total nerd, though almost completely unrecognizable. He’s a mega-buck-making, Ferrari-driving, far-better-looking, computer genius with the hottest chick in the place at his side. Look who’s laughing now…

For Kawasaki and their ZX-6R, they left last year’s shootout as the high school nerd. But they came back this year as the computer genius with the babe on his arm. What a difference a year can make! This must have been said multiple times by nearly every rider who threw a leg over the ZX, yours truly included. For complete technical details check out our First Ride of the green machine in Japan, but in a nutshell, it’s totally new from the ground up. Say hello to the ZX-6 on a MotoGP-inspired binge. It should be noted it’s still the heaviest of the group in terms of wet weight, but they have just made it much more compact and less noticeable and by no means does this hurt performance. In fact, check out the 2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R video for yourself and see how the Ninja stacks up against the competition with your own eyes.
 09 Kawasaki ZX-6R has one of the most information-filled gauge clusters of the bunch while still being very readable.Styling of the new Kawasaki ZX-6R resembles its big brother  the ZX-10R.2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R - what a difference a year can make!
All-new styling from the ground up highlights a vastly improved ZX-6R. It's hard to even grasp the difference from '08 to '09 it's so drastic.

While without a doubt everything about the machine was impressive, first and foremost is the engine. From the bottom of the pack last year to the top this year, both on the dyno and real life, this motor just plain rips!

“Wow, what a difference a year makes, Kawi has done extensive development in the motor department!” exclaims Sorensen of the new ZX. “This bike has low end grunt that carries all the way through the top end power; very useable and extremely tractable.”

“This year the Ninja takes the prize,” Hutchy says. “It feels fast, has a healthy mid-range and a strong top end.” 

As a result of this motor, when it came time for performance testing out in the Mojave desert the Kawasaki proved it was right on pace. Despite still being 422.3 pounds wet, the plentiful amounts of horsepower and slick aerodynamics allowed it to record a ripping top speed of 164.25 mph, third-best of the group. As for the quarter-mile, the Kawasaki clutch wasn't the best for launching - though it wasn't as bad the Yamaha either. As a result it only laid down a 11.11 @ 133.74 mph. While this still may have been good enough to be tied for third, with a better launch that beast of a motor could have been battling for the top spot.

In fact, not a single tester in the group had one bad thing to say about the new 6R powerplant, including Dhien, who sums things up, saying, “Kawasaki’s engine was amazing! It felt like I was on a bigger displacement machine!”

One could argue that Kawasaki has always been known for their monster motors, it’s the sheer size and chassis of their sportbikes where they sometimes struggle. But as mentioned before, just like its ZX-10R big brother, the 6R went on a serious gym regimen this off-season and came back much smaller and meaner looking, with a whole bunch of trick parts to boot.

Chassis and engine changes made for a 6R that is light years ahead of the previous generation.
Atlas laid down the fastest lap of the Superpole session on the Kawasaki and was instantly at home on the all-new Green Machine.
Headlining that list of trick parts and widely praised was the BPF (Big Piston Fork), though it took some time to get used to in the beginning. Due to its design it has little to no dive when you're on the brakes. When this is something you are trained to feel, once taken away it’s almost strange. That is, until you get used to it. Once up to speed, the gold 41mm Showa suspenders provide loads of feel, tons of feedback and soak up anything the bumpy Streets of Willow can throw at them with ease. At that point you wonder why everyone hasn’t gone this route. Actually most all race suspension is already this way, as are a few production bikes (Suzuki’s all-new GSX-R1000), but this is the first production 600 to have it and I can guarantee more will follow.

“This was my favorite fork of the test,” adds Sorensen. “Next time you are in a dealership look closely at this unit. These came straight from Factory Showa. Once again they have raised the bar to what a street bike comes with stock. Joey Lombardo (Kawasaki technician) made a two click adjustment to the fork and it felt like the equivalent of 7 to 10 clicks on a normal fork. For racing you probably don't need the Ohlins cartridge kit anymore, these are that good!”
When it comes to real-world power  there’s no doubt Kawasaki’s new ZX-6R has raised the bar! Is that Hooligan-boy Waheed again
Yep, you guessed it - Waheed again...

In fact, they are good enough for Jamie Hacking to take fourth-place with them in the 2009 Daytona 200 – bone stock! No re-valving, no spring changes, nothing. Straight out of the box Hacking nearly put the Kawasaki on the box in the biggest AMA race of the year. If that doesn’t say enough right there, we’re not sure what does.

“Along with new power, the Kawasaki has a totally new chassis that feels more compact and more agile,” continues Chuckie. “The bike turns in quickly and is very precise with quick transitions left to right. It’s also very positive mid-corner, with great feedback from both front and rear. Where the old chassis used to have numbness and a feeling of not knowing what is going on, this new package is now a racing machine.”

This extremely capable all-around package proved to be number one in our outright Superpole Session lap times by a tenth of a second over the race-bred Yamaha. In Atlas’ hands it laid down an extremely respectable 1:20.23, while for Sorensen it was his first bike of the group, recording a 1:24.66, which dropped it back to third in the average time standings. Though there is no doubt as the session progressed so did Sorensen, hence riding the Kawasaki first may have been a disadvantage. That’s just the luck of the draw.

But where the Kawasaki solidified its place at the front of the pack was on the roads. Where the Yamaha is a pure-bred racer first and foremost and suffers on the street, the Kawasaki truly does it all, competing toe-to-toe with the Honda and Suzuki for best street bike.

“It has the size of the ZX-10 and me being 6'5" means every bit helps,” Kennedy comments. “Immediately it put me in a good place just sitting on the bike. But getting going sealed it for me. Plenty of power, especially on the street, probably even got too much, but it’s addictive. And the stock suspension set-up seemed to support me and my 205-pounds quite well.”

“By far one of my favorite bikes of the day!” added Simon after our street ride. “Overall this motor had everything I look for in a bike – tremendous amount of torque coming out of corners and continuously pulling from the bottom to the top end so much harder than the rest of the bikes. The way the bike turned through all the tight corners was sensational. It really leaned over and seemed to stay down and go where you wanted it to go better than the rest.”

At the fast Big Willow all of the competition had a tough time keeping the new ZX-6R in sight.
This is the view the competition had of the ZX-6R in 2009. Say hello to the 2009 MotorcycleUSA.com Supersport Shootout champion!
On the street, the bikes which riders like and dislike quickly become apparent. Usually this is noticed by how quickly riders try to snatch up the keys when leaving a rest-stop or gas station. The Kawasaki and Honda keys were always gone first...

“For me the Honda is still the best street bike, though the Kawasaki is right there now. But with how good it is at the track plus nearly Honda-level streetability just puts it over the top,” sums up Waheed.

There it is ladies and gentleman, the numbers are in and for the first time in two years a new Supersport Champion has emerged. By virtue of one awesome engine in both the real-world and on the dyno, plus solid performance numbers, overwhelming subjective marks on the track and a street ranking a mere two points shy of the Honda, the nerd has returned to the high school reunion as the stud, hot babe in tow and sports car in the parking lot. Game, set, match - Kawasaki’s all-new ZX-6R is the new Supersport Shootout King.

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2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R Final Settings
2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Measured from stock
(+clockwise, -counterclockwise)
Compression: -3.5 turns
Rebound: -4 turns
Preload: +5 turns
Fork Height: Stock

Compression Ihigh-speed): -2.5 turns
Compression (low-speed): -2 turns
Rebound: -12 clicks
Preload: -1 turn
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AnnoZX6   November 10, 2012 04:15 PM
This right and wrong, the new Zx6r is the best of the jap bikes right now and the 848 and 675 are better then most of the stuff coming out of japan just because of the quality they have but i own a 2008 zx6r with heavy race work done but i clearly remember that when it was still stock i would run with the 636's and walked away from the 09 zx6r's and to let everyone know i also own a 2012 ducati 848 evo corse se and i honestly can see any difference in speed other then at the launch, i love sport bikes and i hate when reviewers like these guys say things about earlier model bikes because at the time that was the best the company can do.
Jason -Objective?  August 27, 2010 10:32 PM
What a load of crap...on the "objective" section just look at the ridiculous point system. The ninja had 0.7 more horsepower than the gixxer which is 0.66% more, but that resulted in a 14% difference in the scoring (3.5 points to 3 points)...how is that objective? And I ride a ninja! What biased crap.
07 D675 TRED -WTF  June 24, 2010 03:13 PM
well i know i traded my jap for a daytona... never looked back... go ahead squids tear me up... lets meet on the track and ill show you 4 cylinders is one too many!..with respect to each there own
Diego Simioni -Endless discussions... loss of time  June 19, 2010 07:51 PM
why people always get angry and keep discussing hours and hours why the bike ONEself think is the best, is really the best?
I am truly sick of discussion. By theses days everybody need to prove that they are the best, that the bike they choose is the best...blablabla
Cant we all be "in hamorny" and ENJOY DIVERSITY?
Magazines may tend to be biased but people with PERSONAL preferences like you - flesh and bone - WRITE these magazines ultimately accordingly to their oppinion (and maybe in a minor degree accordingly to who pays them).
See the numbers, weight, tork and power curves (because they dont lie and are not subjective) and most importantly Go for a real test drive and decide what is BEST FOR YOU and above all RESPECT what other believe is the best for them. Thank other people for having different oppinions and so different bikes, otherwise it world would be very BORING.
Enjoy RIDING! Have fun!
09 monster zx6 rider from -I COULDNT LOVE MY BIKE ANYMORE  May 10, 2010 07:43 PM
Patrick -Kawasaki ZX6R  April 27, 2010 05:59 PM
I am about to purchase a new ZX6R, I am 6' 4", can anyone tell me about the comfort levels for a tall rider.
chris -09 gsxr 600  April 10, 2010 09:36 PM
It was between the 08 zx6, 09 r6, and the 09 gsxr 600. I went with the gsxr 600, its great looking, and fast
cody -suzuki  April 1, 2010 08:43 PM
the only reason suzuki sells bikes is because the average newb looks at it and thinks its the prettiest. and the honda is much more comfy compared to the suzuki
Kenny -Monster  March 27, 2010 01:10 PM
The ZX6R is mist definately the baddest bike around for the 600 class! I got the Monster edition, not a big deal!!!
KD -Triumph  January 28, 2010 01:20 PM
I agree, MCN in the UK are very biased towards Triumph, and gave them top track figures out of the 600cc class for 09. I mean c'mon ! To quickly post an opinion, it wouldnt surprise me at all if the gsxr600 was the top 'road' bike out of the bunch. We all know there is very little opportunity on our roads to really get down to the differences in weight ratio's and split seconds etc. Yet the suzuki is the most comfortable 'road' ride, whilst still being up there with speed. To support my opinion, suzuki 'yet again' sold more gsxr600 sports bikes, than any other 600cc. 2009 was suzuki's 8th year i think for top sales. For me its about the transformation from track bike, to road bike, and suzuki know exactly what they are doing. non professional riders who want a road bike 600, dont want to be sitting on a concrete slab doing 165 plus. They do want speed, but with good stability and comfort. Well done suzuki.
Phillip -Triumph "sponsor"  December 29, 2009 05:16 PM
Tony: What's this about a Triumph "sponsor"? Is that the guy that pays to get Triumph up in the rankings? I'm referring to a certain British bike magazine (no names) which in a similar test like this put the Triumph in 1st spot. Which most people said whiffed of BS and British flag-waving nationalist tripe. Sorry, but where is Triumph's racing pedigree again? Did the dog eat it? Oh that's right...they just don't have one...actually sorry my mistake...they DO have one but it's about 50 years old. What's up with British people...just because it's British they think it has to be 1st by birth-right? Just like a monarchy...in other words. Oh please...Triumph. lol
SBN -not good  December 27, 2009 02:25 AM
how you can mark ducati's brakes and shock with 4/5?? man..:|
tony -TRIUMPH ALL THE WAY  December 17, 2009 02:09 PM
This is nonsene, you guys rated the triumph last without having a triumph sponsor. who really is paying you guys?? what a joke. The new 2009 triumph has 3 more ponys added making it 126HP .

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT motorcycle- usa
Yazid -zx6r  December 16, 2009 04:33 AM
no doubt it goes to the new kawi. good stuff :) thumbs up
nick -This shootout is a wash!  November 28, 2009 04:06 PM
To bring the Daytona 675 in last is just hilarious. If you are someone that has experience with this and other bikes, talks to many people about the 675 and has researched other reviews and opinions around the world, you would know the rating of the 675 by MUSA is laughable. The great thing is that there exists in the world a reality called DIVERSITY. Diverse tastes, diverse desires, diverse conditions and diverse reviews... Google is your friend and you don't have to gauge a bunch of bikes by one review. Thank God for that.
Bill -Disappointed  October 23, 2009 12:47 PM
I'm a former owner of a 2003 R6 and currently now ride a 2008 Ducati 848. This review, while coming off as somewhat thorough, is downright silly and biased. The R6 was a great bike, but the Ducati is eons better in ways I cannot even explain. Don't get me wrong I still like Jap bikes, and would own one of the new R1's to compliment my 848 if finances allowed, so I'm not in anyway 100% partial to Ducati. However...complaining about the Ducati's brakes goes to show how idiotic these guys are. The 848 has by far the best brakes of the bunch (can you say Brembo?) and are by far the best stock brakes on any sportbike besides the Monoblocs that come on the former 1098 and current 1198, which are nearly overkill for the street anyway. Yes the Ducati is uncomfortable (it's basically a race bike with headlights)...it's stiff, it's not as flickable as an R6 and other comparable bikes, but it gives you that added stability that is a real confidence builder on the track. They are a bit harder to ride when you're used to a typical Jap bike, but once you become accustomed to it you never want to ride anything else. Jap bikes feel squirmy in the corners to me now, while the Duc feels planted and gives excellent feedback. I'm not saying it should have gotten first, as sportbikes these days are so close in comparison and only separated by minute differences that it does come down to personal preference, however, the bias in this review is based on marketing and not a personal preference. I'm going off on a rant here but my personal opinion is Hondas are fuckin ugly, the R6 should have been rated much higher as it is an awesome track bike, and the Daytona 675 should have given the Ducati 848 a run for it's money on the track, regardless that the Duc has more power and torque (and this is coming from a Duc owner). My 2 cents
mark reed -zx6r  October 11, 2009 02:23 PM
kawasaki all the way !!!!!! i have the new zx6r its an awsome bike handles like no other just fantastic wicked power loads of midrange pulls very strong up through the revs i looked and tryed many others before buying the zx6r nothing came close for me i love it . everything feels spot on and light to ride and i love the way it looks
anthony -CBR  October 11, 2009 11:00 AM
i dont care what that says, the honda looks great. Kind of reminds me of the aprilia rsv4 which is a revolutionary bike. The kawasaki looks too bulky, the lines on the yamaha are horrible, the ducati shouldnt be in this shootout, but it looks good. the triumph is a joke. Honda all the way.
helge k -triumph 675  October 11, 2009 01:36 AM
Here in the norwegians bike,triumph 675 got the first place in supersport test..triumph has the best chassi,motor,and sound..i don"t understand why its came last...?
wayne rhodes -super sport for the street?  September 25, 2009 04:11 AM
these bikes are for young and strong riders with plenty of money for insurance.the most uncomfortable riding poster I have ever seen.these things are not getting less horsepower like some people think.The exhaust valve is programed to close at high rpm for noise suppressant.Mandatory with the state law or noise control.2009-2010 models 600 and 1000cc sport bikes.I will take the FZ1 Yamaha over any sport bike almost-the 2006 R1 with high handle bars with rubber inserts and foot pegs and a bigger rear sprocket-forget the 180+mph,and go for the fastest quarter mile times up to 140-150 mph thank you kindly
TORREZO -Ha  September 22, 2009 06:20 AM
aaahh i wouldnt really know what to buy. ducati is nice but so pricey. i like hondas. but i wish kawa still had there old school look lol and every one has a suzuki 6. and i dont like the yamokaka. its between the kawa and honda. and the triumph is okay but i wouldnt spend money on one.
dave bradley -power to weight.  September 21, 2009 05:09 AM
you must remember weight is a big issue they maybe less in hp but they are lighter so thats how there gettin faster every year. good work kawasaki, my favourite, love the blade too.
cb -suspension settings  September 14, 2009 05:28 AM
Hey are the final settings in the right hand column track or street??
Joe Blow -Duc/675 vs Jap Bikes  September 12, 2009 05:19 AM
These comparisons are sort of silly. Buy an 848 or a 675 and you have a bike with style and character you'll still love and admire 10 years later. Buy a Jap inline 4 and you'll have, well....a generic motorcycle nobody will want in 3 years.
Donnie Ducati -WTF?!  September 8, 2009 08:39 PM
okay how could a ducati be rated bad in braking?!!?! (BREMBO) there the best brakes i felt compared to race tuned brakes.. i personaly think moto usa's shootouts are biased its pesonal choice not actual straight out facts.. they put what they want i want anyone to tell me and yes i know know ducati has a commited riding position and it isnt the most comfortable bike but if u buy a ducati like i did u buy it for style,for being unique,and one for a fast ass bike....u cannot compare it to any japaneese in line 4 or or any triumph daytona its the best riding motorcycle money can buy from head to toe of the bike it out performs any others so to all u haters out there who buy your jap bikes ur all little fough hawk HATERS!! by the way my desmo d16rr is gonna be here soon so im saying buy buy to the 848 =( oh well id like to see a kawi or honda or any try me ;)
WaZted -jeeezzz  August 27, 2009 05:07 PM
I dont think i will ever be able to decide which bike i want!!!!
GoGoGadget -848  August 27, 2009 01:42 PM
So Im thinking about buying an 848 and this write up is great!
Sounds like the ducks brakes are rubbish compared to the others though so that has me worried. Im going to use it just to pick up chicks so no matter. :)
Darin -Ducati style  August 24, 2009 05:07 PM
Coming from someone that has owned japanese sportbikes in the past and Ducatis, I can say that even when Jap bikes perform better they still dont have what Ducatis have, that is a SOUL and overall a big twin engine is a better design for street riding. Also you guys do 10 laps on a track and then its on to the next bike. I bet anyone that owns one of these bikes over a period of time and really gets to know the bike, will be able to match the laptimes of any of the other bikes on test. The point is I think all these bikes are great, and the differences between them comes down to splitting hairs, but as testers you have to point out those differences. But let the readers know that they are not as big as they may seem.
Matt Maladinns -09 shoot out 6shooters  August 10, 2009 09:10 PM
I don't get the test at all. When the gixxer came out you all said it was the best track bike and everyone fought to get on it. Now your saying its the worst out of the whole bunch. I can understand the kawi being better because its the new one but better than the others when nothing has changed on the others. Come on. How bad can it be on the street. What makes it and the R6 not good street bikes. I agreee the r6 is uncomfy for more than an hours worth of riding and you do have to down shift to get into the powerband but the gixxer can't be that great on the track and that awefull on the street.
Thomas -top speed  June 15, 2009 09:22 PM
are the top speed's that are posted the absolute top speed's of these bikes? I thought they would go faster, or at least thats what i have always been told.
Tom G. -ZX-6R now my choice  June 10, 2009 07:42 PM
I have been riding the fence on which 600 to buy, so close with all of them but this shootout does it for me. In the morning I will take delivery on the ZX-6r. Thanks so much for the great write up and tests.
07D675 -Weight?  May 30, 2009 08:28 PM
The Honda weight is 378.1 and Daytona weigh is 378.4 the Yamaha weight is 383.8. The Honda got 10 points in the weight category the Daytona got 6 points and the Yamaha got 7 points. The yamaha is heavier and was rated higher LOL The Daytona got last LOL. I LOVE IT, let the squids fight over the inline 600s.
JD -videos...  May 20, 2009 03:28 PM
The vids were amazing. But (to disagree with a comment here earlier), there was too much rockstar music - I could barely hear the different engine sounds.
Mike -"cool factor... appearance..."  May 14, 2009 11:06 PM
how the hell does that hold as much weight as something like motor and brakes?? the editor's personal opinions should not be a factor in determining which bike performs the best. let the buyer decide the "cool factor" and which bike appeals to them. I really wish someone would do a real world comparison. throw some dot race tires in there, typical mods like an exhaust and tune, brake lines, proper gearing, track plastics. otherwise, the track comparison is pointless since almost no one tracks a bone stock bike.
Moto Jim -2009 shootout  May 11, 2009 09:12 PM
I'm with the guy that says tune first.I own a 2008 ZX6R,a K&N/front sprocket 1 down,The jumper mod/RS-5 slip on.110 at rear tire.I got mine for 8599.I love it!!!!
freeman -Riding the Kawasaki  May 5, 2009 05:41 AM
I managed to get a test ride in the UK of the new ZX6R - absolutely fantastic - straight from the shop - one of the best 600 motors I have ever felt and that new front end was a revelation. BUT BUT BUT We don't have great roads in the UK and I found the damper to be awful - especially on a rising right hand camber. Second BUT There was a small shower of rain during my ride - and I have to tell you I almost padded my backside with brown stuff. That front end feels like it's a mile away from you in the wet - a slightly badly cambered corner on a wet road will have you puckered, uptight and upright. Third BUT I'm just 6 foot - and I don't know what is up with the ergo's - but I could not get seat to feet comfortable or relaxed - not sure why.
Tadakatsu -Underdog indeed  May 3, 2009 02:56 PM
When the Kawasaki engineers learned from their mistakes last year they revamped this one into a whole new monster. So when they took the crown this year its funny how everyone brand loyal to the other 3 giants fling poo and call BS. Ladies and gentlemen, lets face it, the 2009 ZX-6R is not a flop. You may still have your favorite brand or what not but the victory here is well deserved.
Adam -mcn vs moto usa  May 2, 2009 12:36 AM
looks like mcn has a very different opinion about the 600 class.
Kevin -Duc  April 30, 2009 03:48 PM
How can you give the ducati the worst rating in brakes? Are you serious right now. The brembos have much better stopping power, and that is confirmed by several people I know who have owned the duc and jap bikes. Please at least be fair in analysis
Joseph -yamaha  April 29, 2009 11:28 AM
Hated to see the yamaha r6 do so badly. When will yamaha wake up and make a bike that is as good on the street as on the track?
Jonah -Setting up the perfect test  April 29, 2009 06:56 AM
To Steve Atlas, Don't know quite how you managed it BUT you seemed to have lost all direction on this test. So - how to do the perfect test. 1. Get Six stock bikes - run in but otherwise standard - weigh them and powertest them. 2. Get Six riders with NO preconceptions about HOW to ride a 2 cylinder, three cylinder or 4 cylinder supersport 3. LEAVE THEM ALONE and take them out on the road - and just let the guys get a feel for them in the real world. 4. DO NOT change tyres (except for safety reasons) and take em out on the track. 5. Now start to adjust suspension - try them again. 6. Repeat until feel perfect to rider. 7. Do Lap times, cornering speeds etc. 8. Finally take them BACK out onto the road and repeat 3 - compare track set up with stock setup on the road. 9. FINALLY - talk about and run through race options available for each bike.
Tim gsxr600 -Opinion  April 28, 2009 02:51 PM
Shane you must be one of them! Stop posting on your own website! If enyone wants biast reviews you will LOVE this site :P
shane4000 -zx6r  April 28, 2009 05:34 AM
I think Motorcycle-usa did a great job on all bikes. Keep up the good work guys.
John -Triumph 675  April 27, 2009 08:45 PM
Wow! Triumph gets lowest overall rating because it didn't have factory support on your test? that's BS!
Brian -crooks  April 27, 2009 06:26 PM
That's what you guys are..CROOKS! I wonder who is paying the most to "advertise"? This is just another reason I will not pay to read anything you have to say and will avoid anything associated with motorcycle-usa. You put a Triumph last and a Ducati third? What are you guys smoking in your pipe?
Freeman -Triumph is a piece of ????  April 22, 2009 03:22 AM
Blinkdogg Clink. Clink. Clink. Number of Marbles at home - 2.
random -retest!  April 18, 2009 10:48 PM
MCN ranks the triumph 1st and Motorcycle USA ranks it last LOL. Yet they both gave the kawasaki great marks (are the brits really that biased about triumph?) I read last year the triumph wasn't ranked the best at the track on MCN (which maybe means they aren't that biased given it was untouched for 3 years). You guys ever consider getting a representitive from Triumph to tune the bike and retest it? Or better yet why not get a MCN guy to come over and prove his times on the american track!!
Teimur -Ducat?  April 12, 2009 11:29 PM
Its like reviewing a 250cc and than comparing it to a 500cc whos gonna have more power? Remember the 600cc monster and how lame it wass. No wonder they stoped making those. But if you take out the Duc then take out the Triump as well and we would have a reall 600cc comparison. Where is the 0-60? Thats all I care about. I dont do quarter mile runs or any of that. I want to know if the gixxer is going to beat all oters on the 0-60mph test. Forgive me for being selfish :P
Teimur -gixer vs triumph  April 12, 2009 11:15 PM
From all the "data" I can collect from this review I would get the Triumph but if one is not available I would go for the gixer(having owned one previously(got stolen)). When I saw that you guys were unfair to the Triumph I looked around some and found it to be the better one of the bunch(top speed is no concern for me cause I cant tell what's going on past 144mph). The ducati is nice but owning one is too much of a burden in my opinion. You would have to act all pretentious and stuff. Also why didn't you guys review the Yamaha r6s its cheaper and probably the most comfortable of all(123 claimed hp, not sure crank or wheel)its good for real world riders like me if you can get pased the huge ugly pipe. Also you guys gave a super high score to kawasaki for "coolnes"* & aperance 7? Ugliest cross eyed front ever. I gues it went cross eyed from all the crying it did last year.
Freeman -Compared this shootout with brit bike mag Fast Bikes  April 7, 2009 03:27 AM
I really don't get this. Maybe the brits are totally biased - but they put the triumph first - zx-6r then cbr, gsx, r6. (no Duc) With regards to the Ducati - this comment is what totally messes with my head about this whole comparison "Due to a bit of a tough time getting the Ducati set up on Michelin's radical tires, we weren’t able to get it as dialed in as we would have liked. Ducati's Jeff Nash (former AMA Pro Thunder Champion) got us the ballpark after busting his knuckles all day" I know I have said this elsewhere - BUT - please please next time you do a shootout. Use tyres as sold, do some lap times on standard set up. Then start to adjust the bikes individually - and tell us what a difference it made more lap times. I am sure all you guys had fun - but this whole test looks as valuable as polished plastic. Another comment - from Fast Bikes re - the zx-6r - "I can't believe I'm forced to place this bike third. It's revolutionary BPF front end is a revelation in the dry, and stunning on the track. It's assured solid and invents an entirely new way of entering turns. It's also the bikes biggest weak point. In the wet, feel evaporates as if at the flick of a switch. It's disconcerting to say the least. Perhaps I'd get used to it but neither the 675 or CBR have this problem. Combine that with neutral only starting and a notchy gearbox and it scores a bronze place."
h.a.balafoutre -Too much Discrepancy.  April 4, 2009 03:27 PM
I weight 105kgms and my height is 190cm, who gives a f@k for supersports. 1000cc bikes are proper bikes...anyway. In England the road verdict is : CBR, Kawasaki, 675, Yamaha, Suzuki (no 848). Track verdict (on controles tyres, race riders, blah...blah...)is : 675, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, honda (dangerous on track with cbs-abs)... So overall, 675 is the best. I dont care about who wins I dont like supersports, I am a Yamaha fanatic but..too much Discrepancy...in favor of....
Kiwiruz -675 last?  April 3, 2009 02:31 AM
This can't be true, perhaps number 2
Jason -Thanks for this shootout  April 2, 2009 03:09 PM
Thanks for this shootout, I have been waiting for this since January. You guys(motorcycle-usa team)helped me make up my mind on which bike I am going to get. Peace.
ep -true race comparo  April 1, 2009 09:17 AM
one of these days i'd like to see a comparo of these bikes in race form. like you say, many of these bikes are restricted from the factory by noise and emissions regs. plus the weight of those restrictions hampers the bike's performance even further. i'd like to see the bikes tested with aftermarket exhausts, similarly tuned ECU's. i know that would be horribly complicated and tough to get a comparison that would be apples to apples. but i think we'd get a clearer picture of what these bikes are actually capable of. i think the suzuki and yamaha would benefit the most from these types of mods.
random -triumph  March 30, 2009 03:33 AM
wow you guys dissed the triumph bigtime! 2nd lightest in weight, only beat by the ducati for HP and torque, yet you gave it dismal engine scores! Low scores for appearance? I still think its the best looking of all of em even the ducati. I know I sound like a fanboy but I think the points given out are suspect, the whole scoring system seems out of wack too. The honda HP number seems awfully low. This article needs to be re-evaluated!! nice vids though i must say.
Steve Atlas -RE: Prashant - Supersport 1000's shootout  March 28, 2009 05:04 PM
Keep an eye out for the Liter-Bike Smackdown come early May. Due to the late release of Suzuki's GSX-R1000 we won't be testing them until April 20th. But don't worry; it will be full-bore just like this Supersport Shootout. Also, we would love to have the new Aprilia and BMW in the shootout as well, but neither is coming to the U.S. until late '09 or early 2010, so we'll be sure to get them in next year!
Ray Gauger -Videos  March 28, 2009 12:26 PM
Hey guys, thanks for the props on the videos. We worked really hard on ramping-up the production value on these, and it's cool to see that you guys appreciate it. Also, if there is anything else you guys want to see video-wise (more helmet cam, more slowmo, less of Atlas talking =), etc.) leave me a comment and let me know. After all, these videos are for you guys. Take it easy.
Miffy -...  March 28, 2009 10:51 AM
Wish you could edit... Riding*
Miffy -...  March 28, 2009 10:50 AM
My fave bike is the Ducati because I grew up with them and have always loved them. I just can't see myself rising anyother make of bike because when I sit on my friends GSXR I just don't have the love there and grown used to Ducati's quirks. I've also been on a Honda CBR and the bike is just dull..... it make be comfortable but the bike is a nasty generic thing and doens't have that extra special something like the Ducati. End of the day we all have our own opinions so arguing over it gets us nowhere. It's all about the rider and what he likes best.
cloud9 -Stunning videos and pictures.  March 26, 2009 09:08 AM
On another note excellent videos, not too much music drowning out the engine sounds and all the angles and shots were spot on. Quality of the pictures was superb. Well worth the wait.
cloud9 -tyler read up  March 26, 2009 07:44 AM
Tyler are you reading the same review as the one on this website? They all say the r6 is a track tool, a scalpel, virtually the ultimate track weapon. Where do they say that it's bad on the track? If anything it's the street that it gets criticized on. Remember last year's comparison did'nt have a ducati,a completely new kawasaki or a neutered cbr. The r6 and cbr are down on hp because they have exhaust valves to meet the strict noise regulations that kill noise and power at high rpms. It's funny how the zx-6r suffered from this last year and was at the back of the pack and now these two bikes are hit with this as well and suffer in their scores.
tyler -bs  March 25, 2009 12:17 PM
oh ya and the gsxr is also unchanged from last year....and for some reason it now has more friggen horsepower than the r6 (this is probably the most un-reliable site on the damn net for motorcycle comparisons!
tyler -bs  March 25, 2009 12:15 PM
oh ya and the gsxr is also unchanged from last year....and for some reason it now has more friggen horsepower than the r6 (this is probably the most un-reliable site on the damn net for motorcycle comparisons!
tyler -????  March 25, 2009 12:03 PM
hmmm i cant help but wonder why the cbr isnt even breaking 100 horse power?,and why the r6 went from 109 hp (as you tested last year)to like 100....and holy crap last year the r6 was like the best on the tack and now u guys are basically saying it sucks,and im not just talking about horsepower,im sure theres a reasonable explanation for this s#@t but it seems like u guys are always changing what you say about the bikes (even if the bikes havent changed at all),NOW I DONT KNOW WHICH ONE TO BUY!!!!
Racer1 -Good test, but...  March 24, 2009 05:58 PM
The scoring system seems sensible and pragmatic - until you have a category labeled "Cool factor" in the track statistics.... WTF is THAT?! A category that Ducati wins by 5 points over Honda and thus renders them equal at the track?! The track is supposed to be the place where the BS stops - where lap times talk and things can be measured empirically. To throw in a meaningless, subjective category and weight it the same as other real factors is silly and simply skews the track data away from track related issues - was the Duc down in points and needed a leveler? The "cool factor" is being smooth, having low lap times and winning races - not some silly notion that is best suited to boulevard cruising and dick swinging competitions at gas stops...
John -Go Kawi  March 24, 2009 12:03 PM
This is my favorite comparison each year, but I must say I was slightly dissapointed this year. The Kawasaki won as I suspected it would!! However, I'm not sure about the neutered for noise regulations Yami/Honda scoring as well as they did. I really don't get how the Triumph, which has been called one of the best sport bikes on the planet the last few years and is improved for this year (finally) came in dead last...LAME- Is that just because they didn't send out factory support? I figured the Kawi and Triumph would be 1 and 2. I'm just as surprised that you guys let the Duc lose to the Honda??? Nice videos at least.
christos -hey steve  March 24, 2009 07:12 AM
In regard to your reply, v twins do need more cc to be competitive. But thats ducati's problem. I find it abit unfair but thats just my opinion. Just goes to show how efficient the japanese fours are though! So why is the 750 banned from supersport racing? I think somewhere in europe they have a suzuki 750 only racing series.. Anyhow, love the site an its comprehensive reviews, keep it up!
Shino -- Rockin VIDEOS!  March 24, 2009 04:26 AM
Im surprised the videos aren't given as much credit as they so rightfully deserve! Ive never seen anything close to this production quality (FOR FREE at that) for motorcycle shootout reviews , the trumpet may have ranked lowest but i cant stop watching the video of it , tat angled beauty shoot with the camera zoomin.. probably the sexiest angle of tat English eye candy ive seen soo far.. do i even need to mention the audio quality? keep up the gd work guys ... will be looking forward for the 2010 litre shoot out .. ktm, bmw, ducati , aprillia, kawasaki, honda , yamaha , suzuki .. booyah!
Sachin -RE - Sachin - One more request  March 24, 2009 03:59 AM
...will you guys be able to include the Honda SuperBlackbird in it...if you decide to do it?
Sachin -One more request  March 24, 2009 03:57 AM
I have a request....please, do a similar comparison between BMW K1300S, Hayabusa and the Zx1400r. You know its gonna be really interesting, and I haven't seen something like this for a long time now...Please, do it :-) I know you guys are quite busy with some shootouts already planned. But hey, include this one too :-)
Sachin -Great shootout...  March 24, 2009 03:52 AM
MCUSA, your 600cc shootout is great, thank you. And I was really happy especially since you included the Ducati 848. I agree with your point as to why you didn't include the GSX-R750. And its great to know that some interesting shootouts are lined up in near future. Awesome. However, for me, one thing is for sure. No matter who does what, Honda is always as good as anything can get :-)
Prashant -Supersport 1000's shootout  March 23, 2009 10:11 PM
Nice review, when will there be 1000's shootout. eagerly waiting for it. Also would like Aprilia, BMW and MV Agusta along with the japanese four and Ducati to be compared.
Steve Atlas -RE: Dave - Weight category  March 23, 2009 03:49 PM
Dave. I see how it's a bit confusing as is, but more goes into those scores than the wet/dry weight numbers posted. I'm working on a more discriptive explaination of our scoring process for the Liter-Bike Shootout next month, so stay tuned!
Steve Atlas -RE: Algers - My Apologies  March 23, 2009 03:46 PM
Don't worry, we're all about having fun here at MotoUSA!
Algers -My Apologies  March 23, 2009 08:10 AM
Was just trying to have a bit of fun with Sloan. Sorry if it started a firestorm!
Dave -Weight category.  March 22, 2009 07:39 PM
Please explain the scoring for the weight category and why the yamaha which weighs more and has less power is ranked higher than the triumph.
Steve Atlas -RE: Sloan - Reply to Mr. Atlas  March 22, 2009 07:20 PM
We had some trouble with the dyno charts and were only able to get peak numbers so we added those in a bar graph which is listed on a few of the pages.
Sloan -Reply to Mr. Atlas  March 22, 2009 06:22 PM
"As for the horsepower comment, it's actually one word. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower. Just an FYI". Good catch! While we are on the subject of horsepower, why no dyno charts?
Steve Atlas -RE: Sloan - Algers  March 22, 2009 03:14 PM
As for the horsepower comment, it's actually one word. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower. Just an FYI.
Sloan -Algers  March 22, 2009 01:35 PM
Probably the funniest thing about your post Algers, is when you think I used the word horse power incorrectly, the only time horse power was used as one word was in the list taken right from page two-seven where the horse power of each bike is listed using one word. I copied and pasted the compound word from the article-look for yourself. In the rest of my posts you will see horse power was typed as two words. I hope you learned a valuable lesson Algers; that lesson is if you don’t have anything smart or nice to say you should keep silent. This is probably why you won’t post a reply or an apology to yours truly. Thanks MUSA for sticking up for me, I’ll never hesitate to ask an intelligent question.
benroe -buell  March 22, 2009 09:46 AM
I am glad you guys brought up the subject of buell. The all knowing DMG says it is comparable to a 600 i4, so it should be in this test...
Steve Atlas -RE: DMG rules: middle weight shootout  March 22, 2009 09:34 AM
As I said further down, you'll get your Buell love soon. We have an AMA SportBike shootout in the mix, including the 1125R, Aprilia RSV1000 and 600 inline-four...
thesoapster -Kawasaki  March 22, 2009 09:21 AM
After sitting on/reading about the changes in the Kawasaki I thought they would be headed for greatness. You guys did a stellar job with this shootout (your videos are probably the best I've seen in terms of production)...very high amount of detail...and once again those videos were very well put together. Great job guys...looking forward to your Superbike Smackdown :)
Ryan K -DMG rules: middle weight shootout  March 22, 2009 12:24 AM
Where is the Buell in this mix? Please explain to the confused population how Ducati competes with an 848 but Buell gets to use 1125 against the I4 600cc bikes. This seems like cheating, but the race results and pole position lap times show it is a competitive race without the Buell domination that is expected.
Steve Atlas -RE: Reply to Algers  March 21, 2009 09:23 PM
C’mon guys, let’s all get along or we’ll have to start pulling comments down. No personal attacks, please. Sloan made some good points, which I think I fully addressed, also opening my eyes to the Triumph mistake. Thank you for that.
Sloan -Reply to MUSA and Mr.Atlas  March 21, 2009 09:20 PM
MUSA- “Sloan - Refresh the Triumph page and you will see the corrected numbers. I had the rpms for HP and Torque switched. My bad my friend.” Mr. Atlas- “As for the scoring you pointed out, let me explain for all of you guys – I should have been more descriptive in the scoring sidebar, buts there’s only so much space. All are based on a 10-point scale, but to keep things fair the points were dived in two for HP and Torque add to 10. Also, for lap times, we have outright fastest category as well as lap times average of Chuck and I. To keep these from having too much impact, and as related of they are, both are split in half.” Thanks much guys! Your replies help make my job easier. Now the scoring method makes sense. And I guess it is hard for you guys to communicate to us how the bikes “feel” in real world application when all we as readers have are just words and numbers to go by. Either way your info has helped me, thanks.
Sloan -Reply to Algers  March 21, 2009 09:05 PM
Algers you apparently have the reading comprehension of a four year old child because I simply pointed out a glaring error on the Triumphs stats; which, after me saying something got corrected. The issue I had was with the scoring of the HONDA and the SUZUKI not the TRIUMPH. Also, Mr. Atlas had changed his original post from the one you are seeing right now. My second post was replying to that post. I can’t go back and edit or change previous posts like the MUSA staff can so that may also be some of the reason why you are confused. “what job would that be? Triumph engine builder consultant or something”? Gee I wonder Algers, maybe the job of trying to pick out the best 600cc sport bike. I unlike you, use independent thought when making decisions. So when one bike scores lower than the other in a category like its motor, I question why especially when the bike scoring lower makes more HP. If we as smart consumers did not have the JOB of researching and analyzing all of the available information so we can do a good JOB of selecting and spending $10,000+ on a new motorcycle then we could do what you probably do and that is let someone else make your decision for you. Wow, I can’t believe I had to explain this to you Algers. What is really sad about you Algers is you thought you were being a smart guy but instead you typed first and thought later. Anyone who read my two posts could easily see I had a clear issue with how the scoring was done, in particular with the Honda and the Suzuki. I don’t care about the Triumph. Heck there isn’t even a Triumph dealer within 500 miles of where I live. The very first sentence of my second post is a quote from Mr. Atlas’s original post that is no longer on the message board, read it carefully because it makes no sense that is why I brought the Triumph up in the second post. And ya, I know a lot more about horse power than you do Algers.
Steve Atlas -Scoring  March 21, 2009 09:01 PM
As for the scoring you pointed out, let me explain for all of you guys – I should have been more descriptive in the scoring sidebar, buts there’s only so much space. All are based on a 10-point scale, but to keep things fair the points were dived in two for HP and Torque add to 10. Also, for lap times, we have outright fastest category as well as lap times average of Chuck and I. To keep these from having too much impact, and as related of they are, both are split in half. They still add up to a 10 points scale. The idea is to keep scoring more weighted on rider’s opinion of how the work in the “real world” as opposed to sheer performance numbers. Anyone can make power and make its bike light, but making a bike that works on both the track and street is a very big challenge and that’s what this story is all about – finding the best all-around Supersport Machine. Hope that helps
RE: Sloan - Reply to MUSA -RE: Sloan - Reply to MUSA  March 21, 2009 08:44 PM
Sloan - Refresh the Triumph page and you will see the corrected numbers. I had the rpms for HP and Torque switched. My bad my friend. As for "real world horsepower" it's exactly how it sounds - How fast the bike feels in the "real world." As you pointed out, gearing, weight, etc have a big effect on how the bikes feel on the roads, Dyno numbers aren’t everything, just one piece of the puzzle. Despite all our complaints, hope you enjoyed the article.
Steve Atlas -RE: Walter - Where is the Buell in this shootout  March 21, 2009 08:35 PM
Don't worry, we currently have a big shootout planned with the Buell so keep checkin' the site!
Walter -Where is the Buell in this shootout  March 21, 2009 08:22 PM
Ya that’s right, where is the Buell? The Buell 1125 is legal to race against I-4s, Ducati 848, and 675 in DMG Daytona sport bike…..Ya I know that is a sad and disturbing thought but unfortunately true. So I guess this shootout is incomplete without the Buell 1125.
mr.croom -Great job!  March 21, 2009 07:58 PM
I always look forward to reading your shootouts, you fellas have done another bang up job! Thanks for the great videos too!
Don Vito -jeez  March 21, 2009 06:21 PM
Sounds like these guys got rubbed the wrong way since Triumph didn't send support/couldn't find a competent tech to set up the bike. What an objective group of journalists I must say. Funny how the suzuki is unchanged from 2008 and somehow it best out the triumph which is undoubtedly improved over the 2006-2008 model years.
Algers -Sloan + Triumph  March 21, 2009 05:38 PM
Sloan - I'm sure they aren't implying that you don't know anything about horsepower - except that you don't even know it's one word and not two. You mention that it makes your job difficult - what job would that be? Triumph engine builder consultant or something? If you want them to give the 675 the dyno award, why don't you just ask? I'm sure they can make a conciliation prize especially for your benefit.
Sloan -Reply to MUSA  March 21, 2009 10:57 AM
“What you say answer your own question. It is listed as making peak torque 200rpm BEFORE its peak HP at 14K” Taken right from page 2 of the shoot out: Triumph 675: Horsepower: 108.51hp @ 10,400 rpm Torque: 49.36 lbs.-ft. @ 12,100 rpm, 12,100 – 10,400= 1,700 not 200. And the 12,100 rpm is for the TORQUE not the HP. Maybe you guys are looking at a different shoot out or using different math or something but I don’t see where you got your 200 rpm number? Also, I am sure you weren’t implying I am not educated on the subject of horse power, but when your article has only whole numbers representing how much peak hp and torque each bike makes and without any dyno charts or a tabulated list set at every 250 rpms all the way up to red line matching the rpms with measured torque and hp calculated form that measured torque at the given rpm so I can make an educated guess as to why the Honda scored higher; it makes my job difficult. Especially since both bikes were praised on how seamless their power bands were. Another peculiar point about your scoring is why was the bikes weight scored on a 10 point scale but hp and torque on a 5 point scale and ¼ mile on a 10 point scale but lap times (what really matters for bikes in this category) on a 5 point scale. Either all categories get the same weighted scale or the test is invalid, arbitrary, and irrelevant. And yes the Suzuki does weight 18.9lbs more than the Honda but even though the Suzuki till has a better power/weight ratio. Also the bikes gearing would have an effect on how the motor appears to accelerate the bike, but then again this is why we have sheer hp numbers so we can see motors potential for what it really is. Last but not least what is “real world power” if it isn’t the hp measured at the rear wheel?
Steve Atlas -RE: Sloan - Question???  March 21, 2009 10:38 AM
For the Triumph you may not have had the page refreshed. The RPMs were switched but are now fixed. It makes peak HP at 12,100 rpm and peak Torque at 10,400 rpm. As for the scoring and HP on the street, a lot more than peak dyno numbers goes into how fast a motorcycle ‘feels’ in the real-world. For one, the Honda is some 20-pounds lighter than the Suzuki. It’s for this reason we have 1/3 of the scoring based on performance numbers and 2/3 based on subjective rider’s feelings.
Me -Power loss...  March 21, 2009 10:06 AM
The Honda makes lower power this year compared to last year because the ECU was re-tuned for noise regulations. There's a blurb about it on Motorcycle.com. 600s have hit their HP peak for a while; with ever-more-stringent emissions and noise regulations on "recreational" vehicles, manufacturers will have a tougher time losing weight and gaining power at will.
Steve Atlas -RE: Christos... - 750..  March 21, 2009 10:05 AM
Trust me, we thought about it. But it has been proven that in racing a V-Twin needs more displacement to be competitive. Plus, the world-over the 848 is legal in Supersport racing, while the GSX-R750 is not. It just wouldn’t have been fair. And as you can see, just cause it’s 250cc bigger didn’t automatically make it win, it was third, showing just how close and well-matched this field is. But don’t worry, we have some shootouts planed with the 750 against some other, equal, bikes!
Christos... -750..  March 21, 2009 09:33 AM
I agree with the previous comment, if you threw in the ducati which was 250 odd cc more than the usual 600's ,yous might of well thrown in the gix 750 as well. Which in my opinion,would have toasted the competition in every performance department. Aside from weight.
Moto Freak -Let's be Honest  March 21, 2009 09:27 AM
Getting my bike over 100 mph only comes in very short bursts on the highway. I'm sure its the same for the rest of you as well. I find it funny for people to be complaining over loss of 2-8 horsepower. For me the Ducati wins by looks alone, but the Kawasaki would be in my garage because of it's price. As always, great job Moto-USA staff.
dgover -Why no gsxr-750 in the mix?  March 21, 2009 09:00 AM
Ok, so I still don't understand how the Ducati 848 made it into this comparison and not the GSXR-750? From my high school algebra: if A = B and B = C then A = C. or If A can be compared to B and B compared to C, then A can be compared to C. You did a comparison of the GSXR-750 to the D848 and also to the Triumph 675 (A=B), the D848 and 675 to all these other middle wieghts (B=C), so you should have included the GSXR-750 in this comparison as well (A=C). Other than that... Job well done
ShawnPK -Ninja!  March 21, 2009 08:22 AM
First, of all thanks for the awesome articles. Very professional, great reviews, and awesome videos. Go ZX6R!!!!
benroe -No Trumpet Love  March 21, 2009 06:00 AM
Well, my bike threw a big goose egg up, but I still love her. Why no set up support? It's just not right that she had no support, but mama said there would be days like this. Now let's get on to the Liter Bike Smackdown so I can see the Yammie take over the world!!!!
Eddie -Great Job!  March 21, 2009 02:42 AM
Nice comparo with all middleweights present ... good job! Go Kawa, GO !!!
Sam -Good Job  March 20, 2009 10:50 PM
Great job on the reviews keep up the good work!;) Look forward to reading future reviews and videos from you guys.
Sloan -Question???  March 20, 2009 09:07 PM
Triumph 675: Horsepower: 108.51hp @ 10,400 rpm Torque: 49.36 lbs.-ft. @ 12,100 rpm. Surely this is an F-up because engines always produce peak torque before peak horse power. Also, how is it that the Honda makes 7.1 less hp and 1.56 ft-lb of torque less than the Suzuki BUT in your rating and scoring under “motor” in the subjective part for both street and track, the Honda scored above the Suzuki? It seems to me your scoring system is a little peculiar. For example, the Suzuki makes a lot more hp than the Honda but under the “objective” scoring the Suzuki’s 7.1 hp advantage has only earned it one point over the Honda’s rating even though the Honda has the lowest hp numbers of the whole group.
Steve Atlas -Adding to Hutchy  March 20, 2009 07:47 PM
If you guys read through the whole story we address this issue on several different bikes. But like Ken said, they all plain rock on the track so no matter the HP numbers you're going to have a good time!
Hutchy -Power Struggles  March 20, 2009 04:58 PM
People, people - here is the scoop. Directly comparing the power output from '08 versus '09 is a tad bit apples to oranges only becasue we had to dyno them on two different dynos. We used ours in '08 and another one in '09 and this year they seems to be down about 6-8 hp acorss the board. But there is still an issue with power decreasing and we agree that is the case for the most part - you see the restrictions on sound emissions is being enforced more than ever so manufactuers are having to cork the bikes up a bit more than usual these days. So, dont be surprised to see power going down. It's ok. They still haul ass and they are still loads of fun. Did you like the videos or what? No one has said anything about them yet.
Shrieker -Good Article  March 20, 2009 04:31 PM
Nice and comprehensive test/article as always. Already looking forward to next year's test.
BRAD -HP #'S  March 20, 2009 04:09 PM
vitaliy -low hp  March 20, 2009 03:52 PM
the horsepower is so low because they tested the rear wheel hp at the dyno instead of hp at the flywheel.... the flywheel HP IS SAME OR BETTER then last year
Rich -600 shootout  March 20, 2009 03:24 PM
Thanks for the "best in the biz" shootout MotorcycleUSA. Now hit the showers and then lets get going on the literbikes ASAP... Looking forward to your assessment of the 1000s.
Gads -HP  March 20, 2009 12:45 PM
Yeh, why does it seem like all of these bikes are getting less and less hp...i mean, of course they are all getting lighter, but the hp should b going up no down. We all see the 1000s getting lighter and more powerful, but y not the 600s
Keith -Honda / Yamaha Motors?  March 20, 2009 12:30 PM
What's up with the weaker than prior years in HP delivery for these 2? What is the story?
Darren -Finally Kawasaki gets the bacon!  March 20, 2009 12:14 PM
Does Kawasaki give the ZX6R the catalytic converter? That would just add so much more to the glory of this years win. Keep up the great work guys.
Jim Halpin -Go Green!!!!!!!!  March 20, 2009 12:08 PM
Always glad to see a new face win the shoot out. It was getting sad to see Honda take it all the time!!! Kawi Rules!!!!