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2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R vs Scooter

Monday, January 17, 2011
A scooter vs. a motorcycle can be a tough decision for a beginner to make. Begin by looking at what the machine would primarily be used for and then compare the pros and cons of each.
A scooter or a motorcycle can be a tough decision for a beginner. Begin by looking at what the machine would primarily be used for and compare the pros and cons of each.
On the other hand, the Ninja isn't exactly a WWI battle cruiser. It's not that much heavier, has more pep off the line and its quick steering and light controls make it almost as fun in tight quarters. And get it out of town, to a twisty, bumpy, (maybe downhill) road, and look out. You might not be able to have as much fun on anything with two wheels. If you don't believe me, do a trackday on a Ninja 250 and experience passing open-class motorcycles on the outside. Can you do that on a scooter? Yes, but only if you rent the whole track and there is nobody else there. In fact, a scooter, even one as versatile and good as the SH, does have limits to its functionality. But a motorcycle like the Ninja? Hey, it tops out at around 90 mph, go-to-jail speeds in most places and can hold its own against much larger bikes if properly ridden. That means if you can do it legally on a motorcycle, you can do it on a Ninja 250R. You may have a little more fun in some situations on a scooter, but you can have more fun, in more ways, on a motorcycle.

Many motorcyclists have a sort of benign bigotry towards scooters. The perception is that scooters have a design that's inherently dangerous. They're too light, too top-heavy, the wheels are too small to be stable, the front end doesn't have enough mass over it, they don't have enough power to escape a road-raging SUV, and so on. Many of the statements I've heard or read reveal massive ignorance about scooter design, physics or even the actual fact-based world. “Scooters lack visibility,” said one guy, as if motor vehicles have little eyes built into them somewhere. “With your feet placed side by side [on a scooter's floorboards]...you will be much less stable,” posits another self-appointed expert. I have no idea what that means, but I now ride my motorcycle with my feet end-to-end for maximum safety.

Whether on a motorcycle or a scooter  it sure beats being couped-up in a car.
Whether on a motorcycle or a scooter, it sure beats being stuck in a car.
The truth is that although there have been no studies specifically comparing the safety of scooter vs. motorcycles in any country (so far as a five-minute Google session could discern - I invite readers to send me evidence to the contrary), a giant European study of motorcycle crashes (MAIDS) found that “whilst scooters represented the majority of accident cases [because scooters are the majority of powered two-wheel transport in Europe], scooters were not over- represented in accidents.” Anyone who has ridden both types of vehicles knows that there are good and bad design choices for both motorcycles and scooters. Tiny 8-inch wheels? A good way to get swallowed up by a pothole. Ape-hanger handlebars and a 10-foot wheelbase? Try making a quick swerving maneuver on that one, Easy Rider.

Granted, the basic scooter design that puts most of the vehicle's weight on the back tire limits the vehicle's capabilities, but it's far from inherently unsafe. And true, scooter brakes often don't compare to a motorcycle's, but the modern designs provide more than adequate stopping power. A top-quality, well-engineered product like the Honda is every bit as safe as a motorcycle. The fact that low-quality imported junk from no-name brands or the badly abused '87 Razz you rode in college actually are deathtraps doesn't prove all scooters are unsafe, any more than the crash of a Soviet-built airliner means that you should never get on board an airplane again.

Another safety hazard of scooters doesn't actually have anything to do with the scooter's engineering. It's the carefree, adventurous nature of the scooterists themselves. The perception is that while a motorcycle requires full roadracing gear and lengthy training and preparation, one can ride a scooter with no training and minimal (or no!) clothing, let alone motorcycle-specific protective gear. It's a syndrome that even I confess to succumbing to, but I urge everybody who rides a scooter, or wants to ride a scooter to understand that if you crash at 40 mph, the laws of physics don't care if you fell off a motorcycle, scooter, bicycle, or were just pushed off the back of a moving train - the results will be the same. Attend an official motorcycle or scooter training program (start out by going to www.msf-usa-com) and wear a full-face helmet along with abrasion and shock-resistant, motorcycle-specific jacket, boots, gloves and trousers every time you ride. My number one rule? Don't be an idiot, which applies to all transportation modes.

There are also lots of folks who automatically gravitate towards scooters because they are intimidated by working a clutch and gearbox. To these people I say do not go out and buy a scooter. Or a motorcycle. The first thing you need to do is be properly trained. The MSF's Basic RiderCourse is 15 hours, of which less than 90 minutes are spent just learning how to shift gears and modulate the clutch. What about the other 13.5 hours of potentially life-saving skills
Im a scooter person! Well  Im a motorcycle person! Actually  were all just riders.
“I'm a scooter person!” “Well, I'm a motorcycle person!” Actually, we're all just riders.
you're skipping out on? Just getting a motorcycle or scooter started out and rolling in a straight line doesn't mean you know how to ride; it's just one skill of many. Get trained! After a month of having a choice between the two vehicles, we're still undecided. The easy answer is to buy both, of course, but there are folks out there who can't do that for whatever reason (just sell your car!). To them, I would say look at the features and benefits of any vehicle to decide if it meets your needs, but don't be a moto-bigot and decide you have to have a motorcycle because they are somehow inherently cooler or better than scooters. Making mostly inner-city trips with a few high-speed hops? A scooter may be the best choice. Do you live in the suburbs and mostly use your car for errands? The motorcycle could serve your needs better.

So, here we are with our $4500 to spend. Does the scooter still seem overpriced compared to our Ninja? Granted, there are similar scoots (like the Kymco Yager I tested earlier this year) for a lot less, but there's a far greater differential between a Honda Accord and a BMW 528, and like the BMW, the Honda is a European-built, premium product - the Kawasaki is not. People also point out that $4000 will buy you a lot of used motorcycle. The Suzuki SV650s and other models can be had for that by the bucketload - but $4000 will buy you way more used-scooter value, so it's kind of a wash, isn't it?

Things are priced according to supply and demand. If you're in the market for a scooter, the SH150i, with its great fuel economy (Honda claims 95 mpg—we saw around 70), excellent quality and good performance is right in the hunt. The Ninja 250R is surprisingly capable as a motorcycle and lots of fun as an urban weapon, too. Whatever you ride, you're out of your car and having a ball, and that's what matters.
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Trope   October 12, 2012 05:47 PM
I don't have a motorcycle or a scooter (yet) and these kinds of articles help point out situations/ scenarios that a novice needs!! One thing that lacks comment wise, across the board, in these types of articles is a discussion about passengers. The reality is your friend, partner, date might not have invested in all the gear necessary for being picked up. They may be wearing a dress. I'm an advocate of safety first, of course. But with a second helmet, you can drive some one easier around town on a scooter than you can on a motorcycle. That's an important consideration. Passengers and passenger safety rarely get discussed.
tmkane   June 26, 2012 12:19 PM
If this were a tie, then Honda has broken the tie. Honda has put the 150cc engine, with perhaps new electronics, into the PCX and is selling it for $3500! The PCX is perhaps the best looking scooter going. There is one sacrifice over the HS150, the PCX uses 14 inch wheels. But, it weighs only 286 lbs! In regard to the Scooter vs. Ninja, the utility and ease of use of the PCX has it all over any motorcycle. You'll have cheap insurance, and get 90 mpg, and have internal storage. If you put a trunk on the back, you'll even be able to go grocery shopping with the PCX. Try doing that with a motorcycle. So, for a lot of small families, a PCX makes better sense than buying a second car. A motorcycle is a better piece of equipment, and much better for hard and highway riding. The 153cc engine makes the PCX freeway legal. If you have to get on the highway the PCX can do that, but most of the time, most people won't be doing that. In these economically difficult times, with high unemployment, low wages, and high gas prices, the PCX seems like the best answer for many a young family and for enthusiasts looking for a great time for low cost but with high utility. Just twist and go.
Piglet2010   August 30, 2011 07:13 PM
NumberSix - The underseat storage in the Honda NHX 110 Elite is slightly too small for an XL full-face helmet. :( Otherwise, I love pretty much everything about mine.
NumberSix   February 18, 2011 07:59 AM
The auto in a scoot is unlike that of a car. A car shifts when it's programmed to; most scoots (including the SH150i) don't shift at all but use a CVT transmission.

There are a number of 200-250cc scoots from Aprilia, Genuine, and others which might have made a more direct apples-apples comparison. Honda's SH150i is a bit (*cough*) on the pricy side compared to most in its engine size range.

My Honda Elite 110, which I got new for $2500 + tax, is even more focussed on urban driving but really covers the storage issue with an enormous underseat compartment.

I'd echo "Noam Sayin"'s comment; get one of each.
Noam Sayin -A most excellent article, Gabe.  January 23, 2011 03:28 PM
I started out on a cheap Chinese scooter in 2008 - $1500 delivered to my door. It was an excellent way to get back into riding; riding with traffic, situational awareness, etc. I put 3,000 miles on it each riding season - quite the feat considering I live in Minnesota. Last spring I bought a Honda VTX1300. Although the scooter has taken a back seat to the Honda, I still ride it plenty, as it's the preferred vehicle for in-town, heavy traffic situations and running errands. Just twist 'n' go. I encourage everyone to buy one of each.
Lee -what commuter bag is Gabe wearing  January 22, 2011 11:49 PM
I like this comparison between scooter and motorcycle. Around Los Angeles I have notice more scooters on the road. Does anyone know what kind of shoulder bag / commuter bag is he wearing? maybe Gabe can tell me. thanks. thanks if someone is able to tell me. email me at turbolew@yahoo.com
Steve_YYZ -I"m a scooter guy....  January 21, 2011 01:42 PM
Ok, I ride a scooter now (SYM RV-250) and I'm 6'6" @ 235 lbs so anybody that says a big guy can't ride comfortably on a scoot is just wrong. I choose a scoot because arthritis in my hands makes a days's clutch use pure agony. Twist and go with a CVT is just much less painfull. I blend a mixture of city and country road type riding and easily spend a weekend cruising the back-roads or the super-slab if I want to play in multi-lane traffic. But I also ride ATGATT, All the Gear, All The Time. It's the smart way to ride.
Mr. Mean Man -Finally some common sense  January 20, 2011 04:55 PM
I've been looking to buy a scooter for some time. I always get these thick headed, beer bellied, loudmouthed know-it-alls telling me "You to big for a scooter", "Scooters are for little girls and fags", You're a big guy get a big bike", "That little bike can't haul your heavy ass" etc. Most of the riding I will be doing will be on surface streets and in heavy traffic. I don't need a 1,000cc penis extension 1,000ccs will do you no good in a situation like this. Sure you may be able to go from 0 to sixty in 4 seconds but you might also have to go from 60 to 0 in two seconds. I don't think there is any bike that can do that. I think what these cretins fail to realize is that motorcycles are serious transportation and not just something to pose on. Thank you for Mr. Ets-Hokin for writing this unbiased article.
Michael Pagemaker -Older rider... again  January 20, 2011 08:50 AM
Here's another take on the motorcycle/scooter question. I am a repeat new rider. Many years ago, I stopped riding. Marriage and a family will do that sometimes. Now my son is an adult; my wife has a new partner who more closely matches what she wants in life; I am single. And I want to ride again. I am in my 60s. I still have my motorcycle license, but swinging my leg over and sitting astride an engine is difficult and frequently painful. Arthritis will do that sometimes. I'd love to ride a motorcycle again, but guess what: scooters don't hurt to sit on. And at 300 lbs dripping wet, an SH150 is really easy to hold up at a stop light. I loved it right from the first test drive. 49cc bikes felt like toys. This one feels more like a light motorcycle -- perhaps the 16 in wheels? Whatever... it is a sweet ride. When the snow melts and the warm spring air is back, I plan on redoing my motorcycle course, and then parking my car for most of the non-snow seasons. Which is better, scooter or motorcycle? Whatever lets you ride... whatever makes you happy... whatever...
Niles in SoCal -Why Compare....?  January 19, 2011 12:59 PM
I am a little perplexed they compared a 250cc motorcycle with clutch, against a 150cc automatic scoot. How about a KLR650, and a Burgman 650. Or the Ninja 250 against a Helix 250. I agree with some of the comments you all have made above. But seriously, you cannot replace the fun factor you get with a scooter. I have owned a 87 Yamaha Riva Jog 50cc, an 85 Riva 200cc, a Helix 250cc, and too a Burgman 650cc. These are all AMAZING machines to ride. I do miss my 2001 Helix BAD! But the whip factor of the 650 just crushes anything. Even the big boys ask more about that machine than my 2009 Hayabusa 1340cc. If you are mainly doing urban commuting, then anything 80cc to 650cc will be good. 250cc up for commuting. But if you want your adrenaline pumping, ride a Busa! LOL!
Ron Hunter -Old Man  January 19, 2011 11:43 AM
I don't remember your mentioning the mileage of the Ninja. I have a Honda Silver Wing (600cc scooter) and a Honda ST-1300 (sport touring). They both get about 45-47 mpg. I ride the scooter almost exclusively around Albuquerque, and have never really taken either on a road trip, although, I have trailered the ST to Tennessee to ride the mountains with my sons, and grandsons. For urban riding, you can't beat the scooter. The built-in trunk hauls a full coverage helmet, and a medium bag of groceries. With my 46L trunk on the scoot, and I can haul just about anything short of sheets of building materials. I'm not happy with the 46 mpg of the scooter, but it beats the 16-17 mpg of the SUV.

Scooter prices are totally unreal and grossly overpriced. When I bought mine, (2008) I was between 2-wheeelers, and hurried because one of my sons with his 2 boys were on their way out here to ride the Rockies. I had looked for a 250 cc scooter (for economy) and there were none in town. I found a year-old, left over, SilverWing with a $900 discount, and with T,T,L, and "dealer setup", I wrote a check for $8,600. (Don't ever buy a cycle with your eyes closed!)
Victor -give me cubic centimeters, not screaming revs!  January 18, 2011 08:14 PM
You do realize that Suzuki is asking $4400 for a GS500F these days, don't you? If you're to address the widest possible application for two-wheeled transport, there is no substitute for enough displacement to make the highway a pleasure to embark on, and it's certainly in your price range for this comparison. Shifting? After a while shifting becomes second nature, and my disdain for scooters is like my disdain for automatic transmissions in cars - they shift when they're programmed to, not when you want them to. It's the transmission that keeps me away from scooters, not their image.
James Norwood -decisions  January 18, 2011 02:18 PM
Spot on! I'm an old motorcyclist and ex racer and bought a Scarabeo 250 scooter for commuting. I sold it and got a 250 Ninja. If I lived in a more urban environment I would have kept the scooter. Because I commute 25 miles each way in 20 mph winds, the Ninja was a better choice. So Gabe's criteria for choosing are exactly right. The scooter, however, is MUCH harder to maintain. Just changing a rear tire is a nightmare proposition compared to the motorcycle. Maintainance of the drive train, in general, is relatively daunting. And like Gabe said, blowing off "real" Ninjas and their like is huge fun. I have this one story........
ericalm -Thanks for the straight dope  January 18, 2011 01:27 PM
Comparing a 150 scooter—even the relatively fast, injected SH150—to a Ninja is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but I guess that's the point (and you're basing it on price, not displacement). The SH does fall on the higher end of the price scale; there are many good 150s and larger scooters available for much less. Still, I particularly appreciate the last several paragraphs that address some of the perceptions of scooters and scooterists. Your insight here is pretty much right on the mark, though there are many in the scooter community who do our damnedest to change some of these negative perceptions. Most are not any more accurate than the stereotypes that all sportbikers are like the squid wearing a tanktop and shorts under a Shoei helmet or that all cruisers are thugs. It helps that these days many scooter enthusiasts are also motorcyclists, own both and appreciate them for their different merits. It's unfortunate that the motorcycle industry doesn't offer more small-displacement options. Honda was well-known for its 350cc and smaller bikes, but even companies that currently make some of the biggest-engined motorcycles on the market (e.g. Ducati, Harley, Suzuki) used to make some excellent 150cc-350cc bikes. It would be great to see more small displacements in a variety of styles that incorporated modern technology and are more than just "starter bikes" for new riders who quickly discard them once they learn to ride.
Tristan R -One Bike Fits All  January 18, 2011 01:02 PM
I have been riding both motorcycles and scooters for over fifty years, my wife is still a newcomer to riding with a mere twenty years, between us we have ridden most “styles” of bikes and scooters from dirt to full blown cruisers from Vespa’s to Choppers, we both wanted to go back to more of the original concept of riding that being “one bike fits all” or should I say “almost”. Looking round our local dealer and sitting on many bikes and scooters it seemed the criteria we were yearning for was a degree of street cred (by the way we live in Austin Texas! Need I say more!) something that could zip through parked traffic, good mpg, and FUN. Our final choice was a CRF 230L for me and a CRF 230M for my wife (she stands 5’3” and weighs 100 lbs), having ridden them both now for some miles we are both thrilled with our choice, great gas mileage, we take them on trail riding, (no jumps more than about two or three feet these days) ride to the local Starbucks, also much longer trips, we are in the process of planning to ride Route 66 with our bikes. For versatility we have found these bikes to be much more fun and exciting than either or the two bikes in the review could ever be.
SabreJack -Doesn't matter... enjoy!  January 18, 2011 12:04 PM
I really see no controversy here. My lady and I love our Road King... luxurious, comfortable, and fun every minute and every mile. But we have a Burgman 650 and what a load of fun is that scoot! Fast enough to snap your neck back with storage to hold 2 helmets, and a top speed of well over 90, I love taking it shopping. And then, invariably, I take it for a country ride. Fun factor? Off the scale. Street cred? Nil. But, to paraphrase Mounds and Almond Joy, sometimes you feel like a shift, sometimes you don't. Enjoy your ride, whatever it is and if you are like me, you'd have a barnfull of rides if you could afford it, cycles and scoots, just for fun!
Vince XB -Good comparo  January 18, 2011 11:42 AM
I think this article has real value. First off, set aside the Neanderthal crap that 1%, wannabe 1%, and street-racer/organ-doner crowd are going to give you. Personally, I hate the idea of "eating their own" that these motorcyclists have simply because someone rides a different brand and/or genre of bike. GET OVER IT. But I digress, this comparo addresses a very relevant question that a lot of new and old(er) motorcyclists have. Which is the better value and the better tool for the job? The scooter or the small CC street bike? There's nothing that can replace what the buyer WANTS, looks to play a part in that. Perhaps that speaks to the newer riders, maybe not. I've only been riding for 7 years and I feel I'm over the "looks" phase or riding, so a scooter wouldn't bother me one bit. Some of the more classic looking scooters are pretty cool looking, if you ask me. I could do without the edgy lines of some of the newer styled scooters. That said, the looks of the Ninja are pretty cool and it seems to perform pretty well considering its displacement. At the very least, this article answers some questions in the correct context. One thing to consider is rider height. Scooters generally always allow for shorter riders to ride comfortably. This might not be the case with something based on a sport bike. Even the SV650 is a little tall for the vertically challenged (like me).
CF -Good article here, but...  January 18, 2011 11:35 AM
I bought a used sport-tourer for less than $3000 and have the carrying capacity of a small car, the performance of a sport bike and the comfort of a Lay-Z-Boy. Scooters are indeed cool, as is the Ninja 250. But if you want one bike to do everything, a sport-tourer is truly the way to go, IMHO.
jon -scooters & motorcycles  January 18, 2011 09:56 AM
I've been riding motorcycles for just on 50 years now, and started riding scooters 3-4 years back also. My wife has a 2008 SYM HD200 that most definetely will run on freeways just fine despite haveing an engine that is actually 172ccs. That engine is a water cooled four valve one with a ceramic coated cylinder.55-60-65 is not a problem.Neither is 75-90 mpg a problem. Neither is carrying four bags of groceries between the rear cargo box, underseat area and the front bag hook. I ride both mc and scooter and won't be giving up either any time soon.

The ONLY drawback to riding scooters is the crap you get from idiot knuckledraggers that seem to think anyone else on the face of the earth give a s**t what they think about anything. The highest speed limit in the state I live in is 65.

I ride a 2006 HD XL883 Sportster and just bought a new leftover 2009 Kymco People 150.Now I just need another dual sport and I'll have it made.
Brent Meeker -dumb comparison  January 17, 2011 03:51 PM
The only advantage of the scooter is storage. Against that, at least for the SH150 is that it's not freeway capable. With a top speed of 90mph, the 250 is just barely fast enough to be usable on southern California freeways. The fast lane is usually about 80 and sometimes 85. And the lack of storage on the motorcycle is easily fixed. My 1987 GSXR has a tail truck from J.C.Whitney that will hold to full face helmets and one leather jacket. Does it ruin the poseur look of your Rossi replica sport bike? Too bad. How fast do you think you look on a scooter? Now if you guys had tested the Aprilia/Peugeot Cargobike, with the 250cc engine there might have been something to discuss.
Joaner -MUSA  January 17, 2011 03:49 PM
“Things are priced according to supply and demand.” Hardly! There is NO demand for Suzuki GSXRs in this current economy (no 2010 models) but yet the price of the 2011 GSXR 600 is a whooping $1200 more than the previous model. Although it is updated, a little, the price increase certainly isn’t coming from “demand”. The sky rocketing cost of raw materials and commodities, the falling value of the US dollar and the huge reduction in the number of units produced and sold are some of the factors influencing price.

There is no demand for either the Ninja 250 of the Sh150 because there are plenty of none current and current models available with discounts and loads more on the used market. For $4500 I would buy a 4/5 yr. old Ninja 250 AND a 4/5 yr. old Suzuki Burgman 400 private party and have change left over for title and plates.
Brent Meeker -dumb comparison  January 17, 2011 03:48 PM
The only advantage of the scooter is storage. Against that, at least for the SH150 is that it's not freeway capable. With a top speed of 90mph, the 250 is just barely fast enough to be usable on southern California freeways. The fast lane is usually about 80 and sometimes 85. And the lack of storage on the motorcycle is easily fixed. My 1987 GSXR has a tail truck from J.C.Whitney that will hold to full face helmets and one leather jacket. Does it ruin the poseur look of your Rossi replica sport bike? Too bad. How fast do you think you look on a scooter? Now if you guys had tested the Aprilia/Peugeot Cargobike, with the 250cc engine there might have been something to discuss.
mcguire -sewer rat  January 17, 2011 03:30 PM
Scooters are like fat girls, they are fun to ride but you don't want your friends to see you on one
CliveP -Scoot  January 17, 2011 03:23 PM
I sold my car 4 years ago and bought a scoot and got the bug and got a full bike licence. Was out on my Black Honda S-Wing 125 today in very cold weather and was a little concerned about the possibility of black ice patches on country roads but when I again arrived home safely I just thought as I do everytime. I love this scoot. Could have more power but what it does with what it has is pretty surprising plus I changed the exhaust to a Leo Vince and changed the roller weights to suit my weight.

I've been test driving a few bikes but for my needs I've got something which I think is really pretty special although I wish Honda would put their 300cc engine in this style of Maxi Scoot. Their 600cc Silverwing scoot is a rocket in comparison but I didn't find it as much fun surprisingly.
Brian -Ninja 250 gas mileage isn't much worse.  January 17, 2011 01:02 PM
My 2006 Ninja 250R regularly pulled down 60 mpg before I traded for my "gas hog" 2002 VFR. I understand the redesign lost about 10% of its mileage due to pollution controls. That still works out to over 250 miles to the tank!
MDR -Good article  January 17, 2011 11:46 AM
I work at a dealership and have ridden multiple scooters and bikes. The scooters are ten times more user friendly for the short term. No clutch, plenty of storage, extremely manuverable all good factors, but there is a reason I ride a motorcycle and its for the reasons mentioned above. So good article. Desmolicious you have a good point about Honda pricing. It needs an overhaul, for example on the Honda website the new CB1000 is priced at 10,000 while last year the CBR600 was priced at 11,000 and the current CBR is still MSRP TBD, in my opinion Honda is embarased about something
bikerrandy -bike vs. scooter  January 17, 2011 10:45 AM
Be carefull out there. If you spend a lot of time in traffic(for any reason)and try a scooter, you might be swayed by it's new ease of use, manueverable ability, built in storage capacity). That's why I have both now. The scoot for town and the bike for long distance. Twist & go is very appealing.
Db -You need one of each  January 17, 2011 10:32 AM
I have a scoot and a motorcycle, the former is much better city transportation, and it saves wear and tear on the big bike from short-trip city driving. You can get a totally reliable kymco scooter for much less than $4k
Desmolicious -Nice one Gabe!  January 17, 2011 09:59 AM
Great article. I ride both motos and scoots, and for around town scoots are more fun. But really, they have such a different feel that it is hard to compare one to another. What I have noticed is that the majority of scoot riders seem to be either untrained and/or unlicensed. Scoots are viewed as toys in LA and are treated as such. With the resultant road rash on both the rider and the bike. Which is why you see so many used scoots with crazy low mileage for sale. It's because they are bought as a toy by unlicensed riders who hurt themselves, realize it is not a toy and instead of bothering to get training, sell it. As for the price of the SH150, what is nutty is Honda's soon to be released CBR250 had FI, liquid cooling, 100 more cc's and will be about $300 cheaper than their own 150cc scoot!