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California Gov. Signs Bill vs. Aftermarket Pipes

Wednesday, September 29, 2010
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed Senate Bill 435 yesterday that will authorize state law enforcement to ticket motorcyclists who have swapped out their stock pipes for non-EPA-approved aftermarket exhaust. The new law will make it a
Arnie rides South Korean high-speed rail.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill yesterday targeting aftermarket motorcycle exhausts that don't meet EPA noise and emission standards.
crime to operate a motorcycle manufactured after January 1, 2013, that does not meet federal noise-emission standards. Motorcycles will be required to display a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) label certifying that the exhaust system is clean burning and does not exceed 80 decibels. First-time offenders will face fines up to $100 while subsequent infractions can run up to $250.

The bill is meant to target motorcyclists who remove federally mandated, factory-installed emission control devices and replace them with custom aftermarket parts. Aftermarket pipes generally increase power output, but they are also usually louder and less environmental-friendly. The EPA’s position states that the legislation is “aimed at quieting the deafening roar of modified rides and at reducing emissions.”

The bill was proposed by Sen. Fran Pavley, D-Agoura Hills, who claims that residents in her district have complained about the noise from motorcyclists who enjoy riding through the twisting roads and canyons of Malibu, Calabasas and Agoura Hills.

California has 826,000 registered motorcycles. How this will affect motorcycle dealerships, aftermarket suppliers, custom motorcycle builders and motorcycling tourism is up to speculation.

Companies like Cobra USA, who makes high performance motorcycle exhausts and is based in Yorba Linda, California, said it will take a pro-active approach to the situation and will work with local governments and entities like the Motorcycle Industry Council to make a more “responsible pipe.”

Schwarzenegger, the man who signed the legislation into law, ironically is an avid motorcyclist who reportedly has a collection of motorcycles and has been known to frequent the same Malibu hills Pavley says her complaints come from. Whether his motorcycles meet federal noise requirements is unknown.

The times, they are a-changin'. Used to be the rally cry was “Loud Pipes Save Lives.” Nowadays, though, it’s “Loud Pipes Risk Rights.”

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badgerwarfare   February 5, 2013 09:41 AM
Instead of everybody having knee-jerk reactions, why don't we think logically? -Loud pipes really do save lives. On the freeway or on a busy street, the crappy little horn from the factory will NEVER penetrate the comfortable sound dampening of most modern cars, not to mention having to overpower other road noises... -There are lots of bikers in my neighborhood. However, I'm only ever woken up by the bro with the loud as hell truck and the one kid who has a riced-out Acura. If you're gonna impose decibel regs on bikes, you need to do it on cars too. -Stock pipes are not more eco-friendly. On all the bikes I've owned and modded, aftermarket pipes increased the mpg and made the bike burn cleaner. Why don't we take a more logical approach? Just have a law stating that after 9pm, any motor vehicle whose noise exceeds (XY)db gets a ticket? That way, the chopper crowd can ride to their shows in the daytime, I can ride my quiet Shadow at night, and you can rest assured that both the rice racer and the Harley rider that "try" to wake you up at night will both be ticketed. Oh, and if you want to regulate motorcycle emissions, do it by requiring smog checks. Plenty of cars have aftermarket mods and pass emissions, bikes can do it too. Don't take away our freedom to modify our personal property. I'm glad I'm leaving this state.
hynsun   January 15, 2013 05:42 PM
Loud Pipes Do Save Lives, but only on the freeway, but when they cruise trough quite neighborhoods,late at night and purposely "REV" their motors so they can wake up people and set off alarms they are "IDIOTS" they make the motorcycle world less liked,the law now states that officers at motorcycle safety checkpoints are to stop motorcycles and check the "Decibles" I have yet to see this, they need to set up in the city of Vacaville CA and start giving out fix-it tickets which cost $50.00 just to get it signed off. Show some respect when you cruise trough a quite neighborhood. Common Sense goes a long way!!!
harley4ever   February 19, 2012 11:20 PM
OK, to all you attention whores... LOUD PIPES DO NOT SAVE LIVES!!! Quit using it as an excuse to draw attention to yourself, just like a 16 year old girl.(South Park f-word episode) And no one thinks you're bad ass or tough, just a another loser that needs attention. I've been riding for over 20 years and have never had a problem that made me think, it could have been avoided if I had loud pipes. In fact, the number one cause of motorcycle accidents is someone turning in front of you in an intersection traveling the opposite direction...how are your loud pipes going to avoid that situation? Hey, I think loud exhaust sounds cool too, what guy doesn't, like at Nascar or off-road races. But, I chose not to have my enjoyment interfere with someone else's serenity and their enjoyment. You also say, it's only for the minute that you're driving by. But, what you don't realize is that when it happens hundreds of times a day, it's no longer an isolated incident, it's constant noise. This is one human to another, begging you, please have consideration for others and evolve from the loud chest thumping to a civilized society.
Mike -Captain  January 5, 2011 04:14 PM
Yes, yes! Let's have laws for every little thing! Guns? Gotta go! No smoking anywhere. Exterior walls on buildings must have a minimum of 12 inches of foam rubber padding the first 12 feet from ground level, sidewalks the same, 3 inch minimum.

Men will refrain from speaking in a lowtoned bass-like voice, or acting an overly male-like manner. No farting, belching, burping, coughing, hiccuping, panting, wheezing, sneezing, etc, will be allowed in public.

A uniform dress code is to be strictly enforced: all citizens will be required to wear an outfit consisting of a durable synthetic material, namely a jumpsuit w/ attached "booties" similar the ones worn by infants, blue for males & pink for females. All leather
apparel is hereby outlawed. The same goes for ALL body hair of any kind, excepting nose hair, which will be kept trimmed to stay within the outer edges of the nostrils.

A new gov agency is to be created, the purpose of which is to ensure that all citizens, at beddybye time, have a glass of warm milk (non-fat, of course)read a story, burped, and are tucked in properly before they go to sleep.

The new bill outlawing the use of the color black anywhere in public is being pushed hard, the logistics to be worked out at a later date. :D




Sean -Waste of Time  December 6, 2010 09:10 PM
I am from the sport bike crowd and completely oppose this law. The problem is that there isn't a specific decibel level one's exhaust pipes cannot exceed. The law simply states that the exhaust can be no louder than the one the bike was manufactured with.

So if I install a performance full exhaust on my bike, which will still be MUCH quieter than a Harley with stock pipes, I am still just as guilty as the Harley rider?

It makes no sense, because sport bikes with AFTERMARKET exhausts aren't even loud enough to be an annoyance. The harley's with STOCK exhausts, and obviously aftermarket applications, are the problem. Decibel readings are necessary, not a law preventing aftermarket exhausts all together.
Mike Spike -pod@ca  October 15, 2010 03:38 PM
I was born in California and have lived here since. I love this land. I ride all over this state for work and pleasure. East of here is looking better every day.
Slayer Hater -Stock Pipes Kill People  October 13, 2010 07:11 AM
Time to stop bein' so passive aggressive about rider safety! Everybody knows "stock pipes kill people!" They must be stopped! http://slayerhater.com
Big Ron -Loud pipes save lives  October 7, 2010 02:30 PM
Yep its true; never beleived it until I had to ride my bike around the streets of San Francisco in search of a drug store. I have Vance and Hines 2 into 1 with stock baffels and they are loud; thankfully as I was nearly run over by taxi's indiscrimently swithching lanes. I have no doubt I would have been run over if I had the stock pipes on my bike.
Papa Juliet -Tree Hugger  October 5, 2010 04:12 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/niceandquiet
AREALBIKER -MESSAGE TO SKIPPER  October 5, 2010 09:11 AM
In your comment you said that the harley riders run there bikes with out mufflers.....I got news for ya DIPS**T!!!! our bikes do have mufflers with baffles ( baffles is what quiets the sound coming out) the truth is with out a baffle there is no back pressure which makes the bike run like s**t and denys the bike the real power of the motor.... the sound you hear coming out of the aftermarket pipes is the real sound of the harley performance the reason why they are so quiet from the factory is because the TREE HUGGING IDIOTS!! at the EPA think they are cutting down on emmisions by choking the motor so much it cant breathe which again makes the bike run like s**t -oil gets hotter and its not good for the bike when you ride alot........SO MY QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ABOUT THESE RICE BURNING CARS TRYING TO BE LIKE THE FAST & FURIOUS RACERS AND THERE LOUD ASS LAWNMOWER NOISE??? WHERE IS THE BAN ON THERE FREEDOM!!!!! Because this is a ban on every bikers freedom to ride and be heard so we dont get run over or pulled in front of!!!! LOUD PIPES DO SAVE LIVES WHETHER YOU ADMIT IT OR NOT!!! and I guarantee we will overturn this bill before 2013!!! mark my words!!!!!
Bill B -Hey Richard  October 1, 2010 02:08 PM
While some harley riders might dress like "pirates" (your term), it's better than dressing up like a Power Ranger, and riding doggie style, looking like your rear fender is sticking out of your a##!
Richard -I don't care!  October 1, 2010 01:42 PM
I don't care who you think you are riding those loud bikes. Pirates you are not, a memeber of the Village People is more like it. If everyone would just throw rocks these Harley cross dressers would get the point!
Daily -Rider  October 1, 2010 01:08 PM
I ride almost every day, for over 30yrs. This is about freedom. Freedom from being assulted by loud noise. I enjoy peace and quiet and do my best not to take away other people's freedom to have the same. The "hey look at me crowd" are the ones that take away freedom.
Matt -Enforcement  October 1, 2010 12:12 PM
Although from experience I can tell any doubters out there that there is truth to the phrase "loud pipes save lives". I however can also understand the frustration of living next to or near an intersection where riders frequently have throttle wars while stopped in on your street. As motorcycles become more popular laws like these were bound to be inevitable. I don't have a huge issue with them enforcing it in residential zones but would definitely be disappointed if I started seeing bikers being ticketed along side major city roads and highways witch I fear could be the case.
JSH -LOL  October 1, 2010 09:08 AM
I just have to laugh at all the doom and gloom. People act like this law is the end of aftermarket exhausts. It's not, it is just the end of illegal aftermarket exhausts on the road. Companies will simply make EPA and Carb compliant exhausts. Harley made the switch a couple years ago. Look at their parts selection online. The first thing that comes up for a sportster is: Screaming Eagle Street Performance Slip-On Shorty Mufflers. Read the description and it says "50 State Street Legal"............... Take a look at the November issue of Motorcyclist. They tested a Yoshimura R-77 Slip-On for a CBR1000RR. EPA and Carb legal, less pollution than stock, 3 lbs lighter than stock, 5 hp and 10 lb-ft of torque more than stock. A legal aftermarket exhaust that still improves performance. Believe it or not some of us have been waiting years for the opportunity to purchase road legal aftermarket exhausts. This bill creates the market needed to make that happen. Thank you California!
allan -biker  October 1, 2010 05:15 AM
I'd be interested in the death/injury ratio between rice grinding machines and those with loud pipes. I've heard those "electric bikes" screaming down the highway, typically at 120 MPH. Loud pipes save lives! I can't worry about all of the stupid things four wheelers are going to do on the highway all the time, and the horns on these bikes... well, let's just say I'd rather go into IHOP for a Tuesday Tootie Fruity breakfast.

As far as what little insects start coming up with in the dark and dismal recesses of the government building near you, the patern started a loong time ago. First we all hunted for our food. Full time job there. Then we started growing stuff and domesticating animals for food stuff. We had more people with nothing to do so they started building stuff. Then we got so prolific that we have a governemental position where a prude with his thumb so far up his fourth point of contact he starts messaging his brain comes up with another little nitnoid law to get the big guy to sign.

California can have it. You folks out there tend to run a bit strange anyway. To those of you who still remember how to keep it real should move out East with the rest of us. I'll buy you a beer.
B Dunk -Not so funny  September 30, 2010 03:52 PM
"a piped out harley sounds wicked" and a pirate outfit looks stunning.
Zippy -jobs are leaving  September 30, 2010 12:44 PM
They used to build surfboards and mountian bikes in California years ago until they passed all kinds of laws punishing the job creators. How is that working out for you.


Ernie -Commies  September 30, 2010 12:36 PM
California is a bunch of communists. everything gives you cancer there, and now they target loud pipes....while i agree there is a certain level of noise that is stupid, a piped out harley sounds wicked.....CommieFornia's EPA needs to focus on more important things....how much could a 50MPG motorcycle actually pollute?
B Dunk -Funny  September 30, 2010 11:52 AM
Those Harley poser ruining for everyone again. There in Agoura, they ride slow, don't let others pass, rev their bikes at stop lights looking all tough saying "LOOK AT ME!". They ride to the Rock Store, have a couple beers. Then to Neptune's Net, have a couple beers. Back to the Rock Store, couple beers and finish at Sagebrush for a few beers and discuss who has the better outfit. Ride home buzzed setting off car alarms for a total of 25 miles. Way to go, this law was bound to happen.
Dyna -BS  September 30, 2010 11:14 AM
I was almost nailed in a parking lot by a truck. This gent came up to me and apologized. He told me that he did not see me, but he heard me and slowed down. Oh well. Better to please crybabies and ignore the real issues out there.
Torre -Exhaust  September 30, 2010 10:19 AM
Easy solution for you folks that live in California. Move East!!!!
Michael -Wow!  September 30, 2010 10:12 AM
Look at all of the complaining here. Calling Harley riders "morons" and stupid crap like that. WTF is wrong with people? Waaaa! The bike is loud. Waaaaa! Try vagisil. Let's enforce laws regarding texting and cell phone use. How many times has loud exhaust killed someone?
RBen -finely  September 30, 2010 09:29 AM
I am fed up with the annoyance and nose. WISH IT WAS ALL OF THE USA.
Skipper -The sooner the better.......  September 30, 2010 09:04 AM
If there was a nation wide ban on loud exhaust and every motorcycle had to have original equipment exhaust then Harley Davidson would be out of business in 6 months. The only reason most people buy that junk is because they think a Harley sounds good without a muffler. This is too good to be true. I am so sick of being forced to listen to these inconsiderate assholes on there Harleys. The "Loud Pipes Saves Lives" is just a bunch of bullshit and the typical Harley idot's excuse to showoff. This is not just in California. Just about every state is working of similar laws. There are many cities with laws already in force.
Scooter -Its About Time  September 30, 2010 08:57 AM
My local city council is working on a similar ordinance. It seems that every Harley moron has to remove the muffler and ride around with his pirate outfit making as much noise as possible. The local people has had enough of these Harley morons and have demanded change and it is about time. I am sick of these idiots with there 3 foot tall handle bars, no mufflers and there stupid pirate outfits riding around with there outdated 70hp Harleys showing off. The "Hey look at me with my cool loud pipes" is over. These morons have no consideration for others. They are selfish and insecure and have to showoff. It always gives me just a good laugh because there stupid Harley hardly have enough horsepower to get out of there own way. I guess that is the reason for the loud exhaust on the Harley's. At least they try and make them sound like a fast bike.
Dan - boo  September 30, 2010 08:37 AM
sounds like their going to have 826,000 people on their doorstep one morning
Gritboy -Boooooooooo!  September 30, 2010 07:33 AM
BOOOOOOO! I not a proponent of loud pipes -- especially straight pipes -- but most bikes ship with pipes that sounds like sowing machines and strangle power output. Not the end of the world and at least it's not retroactive for pre-2013 motos, but motorcycle-specific legislation is always bad foreshadowing. Keep in mind there are already noise ordinances in most places that police can choose to enforce on any vehicle, so this seems a bit targeted. Where I live people love to honk their car horns; I think we should remove those as they're being abused and are a nuisance. Motorcycles don't count, since our horns make hamster's screaming sound terrifying by comparison.
Bill B -Hey california  September 30, 2010 06:38 AM
California; At the risk of taking this subject down another road, no pun intended, uh...it is common knowledge people are fleeing California like roaches when the is turned on. Texas, however, is gaining at the same rate. I will acknowledge, that, like California, some of our population growth is coming illegals.
Grant -Wow...  September 30, 2010 05:37 AM
He probably didnt even know what he was signing...
Zippy -easy answer  September 30, 2010 04:24 AM
Just buy components not made/marketed by California companies. Most folks are moving thier companies to AZ anyway. We get the items we want at a good price and they lose more jobs. You get what you settle for and the voters of Cali have decided to settle for this law. It is called soft tyranny.
Dingerjunkie -"emissions" part a killer  September 30, 2010 02:43 AM
The worst part about this is not that aftermarket manufacturers need to make quiet pipes now, but that they also need to be certified as passing particulate emissions specs from the EPA. That means every exhaust needs to go through expensive, drawn-out EPA tests and licensing in order to be sold. If you think aftermarket cans are expensive now, wait until we need the fed to certify each version/variant before sale. While it may not shut down the aftermarket like the "lead ban" almost did, it will definitely make it harder and more expensive to create and sell a product.
Daniel Lee -traderdan  September 30, 2010 12:29 AM
Democratic Senator Fran Pavely is another progressive Americans MUST vote out of office as well as any spineless ruling class republicans like Schwarzenegger
John Roy Morgan -So?  September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
So everyone who has a bike built before January 1, 2013, doesn't need to meet the new Reg? I don't see a problem. Used Harleys are cool........... Read the law.

The new law will make it a crime to operate a motorcycle MANUFACTURED AFTER JANUARY 1,2013, that does not meet federal noise-emission standards. What part of after January 1, 2013 don't you all get? Doesn't talk about a custom built motorcycle, bulit after that date, does it?
Mike -Progressives Liberals Win Again.  September 29, 2010 10:31 PM
A sure sign of caving to the Progressive Liberals Agenda. I guess the terminator is actually the Pussinator. Come on Arnold stand up and act like you got pair. Oh that's right you were acting.
california -to Bill B from texas  September 29, 2010 10:27 PM
bill, no one wants to live in texas, so can it
mike -wayne  September 29, 2010 09:43 PM
real riders? i never knew real riders rode stock bikes? real riders build their bikes from the ground up. the frame, motor, rake, stance PIPES are all an example of their personality. being free and feeling the bike under you is a real rider. not im a d-bag with money and think im cool because i go buy a brand new bike.
Mike -That You Terminator  September 29, 2010 08:58 PM
This will be the nail that kills Harley. The only reason people ride these bikes is to piss off the public. It's their Consitutional Rights Ya know....
Jeff W -It's About Time!  September 29, 2010 08:26 PM
I own several bikes and ride a lot. And it's about time! I am so sick of these idiots (usually Harleys) and their BLARING "look at me" noisy "in your face" pipes! They care nothing about promoting motorcycling or the rights of others. I'm sorry, that noise does NOT stop 15 feet from the bike. You DON'T have the right to force your (unnecessary) noise pollution on me and my house at 2AM - or any time for that matter. It's really hard to imagine the brain power level of these guys who feel the need to have loud pipes to get attention. I was at a friends farm about a month ago that is on a main rural road, and they were having a big picnic BBQ for fiends and family, it was a real nice day and every 5 minuets we some IDIOTS ride by and rev their engines.....BLAT BLAT BLAT!! Some of these were REALLY loud. IDIOTS. Every one of them. Sorry, you DON'T have the right to piss in my garden and you DON'T have the "right" to blast others with your dumb loud pipes. It is NOT a "right"...
LL -Arnold trying to screw all Californian's.  September 29, 2010 08:10 PM
Arnold's last year in office and he's going screw every person in California. he's going down, he is taking us all with him. he doesn't care. the state can't get its act together to work on a new budget for the last 90 days. sounds like job security to me. don't pass a budget because it might eliminate the politician out of seat. living in Cali comes with a high price$$$
Zippy -get out now!!  September 29, 2010 07:14 PM
If Cobra is smart they will get out of Cali ASAP. I will no longer buy items from Cali Companies if there is any alternative. Or I will simply do without the item.
Wayne -Edmund Burke et al  September 29, 2010 07:06 PM
The EPA sound test of 80 dB isnt as bad as it sounds, as they measure is with drive by sound tests. It's about as loud as a stock motorcycle, or a motorcycle with EPA-approved aftermarket exhaust pipes.

The South Park motocycle episode was exactly right on the mark. Loud pipes save egos, nothing else. Sorry no one told you you were special as a child. Broom, broom... Me go fast on my wowd bike. Wook at me. Wook at how woud my bike is!

The founding fathers fought and died for that... Give me a friggin break. They really must me rolling in their graves now!

Also, no one will vote Ahnold out of office. He's term limited and not running this November. Californians will choose between Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman.
Pissed -Way to go "loud pipes save lives" crowd  September 29, 2010 06:43 PM
Way to go "loud pipes save lives" crowd....Now the rest of us have to put up with restrictions caused by your inconsiderate and ill informed actions.
Jay from Jersey -shmuk  September 29, 2010 06:14 PM
This bill is targeting just motorcycles? What about those ridiculous Honda Civics or Toyota Carollas with those loud exhausts that it seems every teenager puts on their car? And when exactly is the measurment going to be taken? At high revs? low revs? downshifting into a hairpin? Idle? I don't know about anyone else but I am certain that there can be a 60 db difference between idle and revs with my bike.
Phil -Rider  September 29, 2010 05:43 PM
This is wouldnt be so terrible if 1: it targeted ALL VEHICLES. This is BS that it's against motorcycles only. 2: Had an overall noise regulation not just stock vs non-stock. My old GSXR with aftermarket pipes is quieter then a stock Harley 3: We aren't in a position to start limiting sales of anything. We've just made new bikes less attractive for a good portion of motorcyclists and have also reduced sales of aftermarket parts. all because some woman/community thought people were being too loud. I hope every pre-2013 bike rolls by your neighborhood with open headers. And governator, can't wait to vote you out of office
Oliver -Too bad  September 29, 2010 05:29 PM
In response to Wayne, althouth civilization and society may change, the noble ideas of fair play and the rights of the common person do not. Our forefathers fought and died for these ideas. They are just as relevant today (if not more so) than they were over 200 years ago. Edmund Burke aptly said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (people) do nothing."
Kathy -Response to Wayne  September 29, 2010 05:00 PM
Wayne, he ignored the fact or just might have slipped his mind, that yes, there is a law already!

Special Interest Backing: The American Lung Association. If you ride a motorcycle, The American Lung Association claims that you are contributing to lung disease. Its in the report submitted to the Gov. That is ludicrous considering not ALL motorcycles are on the road at the SAME TIME. I am never giving them one cent of my money now that I know they take the donations and pay for this kind of law.

Sound: maybe a small percent of those riding have REALLY loud pipes, and there is a law in effect already for that purpose. This gives the police freedom to ticket the bikes at any time, riding or parked. That is ALL BIKES folks... not just Harleys. Don't generalize that Harleys are the ONLY loud bikes out there. Don't think that you can ride a sport bike and get away with it now. You too need that label or you get a ticket.

I don't mind not having loud pipes, I mind that someone sees fit to let the kid go by my house in daddy's SUV with his boombox blaring and setting off my car alarm. How's that one for equal rights... Lets start rallying to take the radios out of all vehicles on the road...it causes ear damage.

Whine: Nahhh... I am serious. If I get a ticket for non-label, I will fight it. Hows that for spending the State's money for having this law. You think no one will fight it. Where do you think the money comes from?! Who pays for the State's lawyers?! WE DO!

Its just an ALL AROUND bad law with the special interests backing it. That's a fact. Read it.

alan -pipes  September 29, 2010 04:58 PM
Well, the California market for bikes manufactured before 2013 just got a lot better. Dealers will have a great couple of years -
Chad Manuel -Are You Serious?  September 29, 2010 04:55 PM
What the hell is wrong with people nowadays? People complaining about loud exhausts on motorcycles, their kids saying "Under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, prohibiting smoking on beaches which is outside, and the list goes on. Sure you are proud to sing "Land of the Free" during the Star Spangled Banner but you people sure as hell don't live by it. It's pretty obvious that the money is talking. Whatever happened to For the People, By the People? And using the bullshit to make them environmentally friendly? Last time I checked, motorcycles are one of the most environmentally means of transportation. Thats why motorcycles aren't required to do a smog check. This law in my eyes is discriminatory against the people that make motorcycling a hobby. Last but not least, loud pipes save lives. Pipes can't be over 80decibels? There are common noises that go above that and there is no restriction on those, here are some for example,
50 - 80 dB electric shaver
55 - 70 dB dishwasher
60 - 85 dB vacuum cleaner
60 - 95 dB hair dryer
65 - 80 dB alarm clock
75 - 85 dB flush toilet
80 dB ringing telephone
110 dB baby crying
I can keep going, THIS LAW IS BULLS**T.
Wayne -Too Bad...  September 29, 2010 04:38 PM
Too bad Ahnold is a Republican and not a Democrat, then the whiners here could really dig into him. Guess what people: ITS ALREADY ILLEGAL TO RUN NON-EPA APPROVED EXHAUSTS!!!

Now California law enforcement can ticket it. And by the way if you're running loud pipes your ruining the sport and ruining the image of regular riders. Get with the program.

Also, as for forefathers rolling over in their graves... Give me a break. Civilization and society changes. Reasonable laws and common sense trump your idea of what dead guys may or may not have thought about something.

Also, if there's a special interest pumping money at this issue, its the people making the loud pipes! The general public hates loud motorcycles and off-road riding. If riders can't police themselves, the government will.
Kathy -Its about life and money...I will not be silenced.  September 29, 2010 04:29 PM
Well its time for those LOUD MARINE HORNS folks! Ima getting mine installed. If you drivers thought that Arnie was gonna silence me... well ya got another thing comin' folks! Its called LOUD HORNS. Just can't wait for those complaints! HA! You are not quieting this biker chick! I'm here to stay alive and if that means I use a LOUD HORN FROM A BOAT... I will! Thanks Arnie for taking small busineses out of California and taking money out of ALL THE CALIFORNIAN'S pocket for the future enforcment of this law. Where in hell do you think the money is coming for that! Keep driving this state into bankruptcy. But then again, your term is up so why should you care anymore...
Oliver -Loud pipes  September 29, 2010 03:20 PM
The forefathers of this country must be turning over in their graves. This is just a small example that this country is no longer run by its people. It's run by special interests backed by big money. If you've got lots of cash, you can buy a congressman; you can buy public opinion through commercials like we see every special election in California for "Proposition this" or "Proposition that". And you can effectively buys laws. Hell, one can even buy an ambassadorship with a large enough contribution. The mention of the douchebags who bought homes next to Laguna and then got the track "quieted down" is another micro example that money now trumps fairness. And who is to blame for all this, voter apathy. The common person is no longer represented at the State or Federal level because we do not have lobbies throwing money and influence at campaigns. So we desperately cling at symbols of freedom, like the motorcycle. But it's an illusion because we lost our freedom long ago when we allowed our representatives to be controlled by money. Until we vote these "paid-for" clowns out of office, nothing will change.
LW -I HATE YOU ARNOLD  September 29, 2010 03:18 PM
REALLY!!! MIGHT AS WELL GO AFTER EVERY FU****** CAR AND TRUCK OUT THERE... CAN'T WAIT TILL YOUR DUMB ILLEGAL ASS IS OUT OF OFFICE
spoon -Approved by a Republican  September 29, 2010 02:51 PM
The helmet law was also signed by a republican governor.
zenjim -all about the benjamins  September 29, 2010 02:45 PM
First, Arnold is no rider.
Second, what about loud cars?
Third, it's about sound but there's no way to enforce beyond, "Sounds loud to me." What happened to protecting the air quality? Doesn't matter as long as we have a way to make money.
Fourth, it's about generating revenue for California.
Fifth, people in Agoura Hills can blow me. Loud vehicles have been careening down those canyon roads for as long as they've been there. That goes for the douche nozzles who bought a house next to Laguna Seca and then complained about the noise from the track. I bought a house next to an airport. Guess what? I didn't complain about the plane noise.
Americans have become sheeple.
John -The All-Knowing (not really)  September 29, 2010 02:18 PM
It is unfortunate that the government deems it necessary to jump to conclusions when it comes "fixing" the exhaust nuisance in Cali. While I don't disagree with actually enforcing a db limit and/or emissions control, I believe they went about this all wrong. 80 db is extremely low for vehicles in general. Very few motorcycles these days would meet that requirement and there are plenty of stock cars (STI, EVO, MS3) that don't meet it either. The real problem is they are attacking an already ailing industry. Motorcycle manufacturers bend over backwards to meet the Euro standards with a substantial cost that is passed on to the consumer. (noticed how MSRP's have increased dramatically in the past 4-5 years?) In case you've haven't paid any attention to the industry lately, it's tanking and tanking hard. Adding cost to an industry that is slashing prices just to stay solvent is not exactly a solid plan when your state (which is also in big financial trouble) is dependant on revenue generated by taxes. Simply put, Higher prices=less consumer interest=less tax revenue. And we all know that money talks around here.

The aftermarket manufacturers will be fine as they have learned to adapt to meet standards (Most racing associations have db limits). Just look at the car industry in Cali. They have learned to adapt to the overly (in my opinion) stringent standards put on aftermarket products. Just look for more titanium, more "stock sized" pipes/cans. People will get creative. Its just like a post earlier said that if it saves weight and give you more power, somebody will buy it.

But the Governator is a man of action. Whether or not its well thought through doesn't matter. He will make things happen for the better or worse.

PS. Yes he is a hypocrite

***Disclaimer***
I have aftermarket pipes on my bike. They are the quietest available aftermarket cans but by no means quiet. I also live in a city, at a heavily trafficked intersection and hear the "very cool guys" sit there and rev their engines at all hours of the day/night. Lets just say I have learned to sleep more soundly.


Bill B -Non-Californian  September 29, 2010 02:12 PM
Way to go Left-Coasters!. Do you have any liberties any more? Just one more reason you are lossing legal citizens, tax payers, and businesses to states like Texas, where you can ride what you like, can own semi-automatic fire arms (sorry, "assault weapons"), can carry concealed weapons...legally, don't pay state income tax, have caps on tort lawsuits, and don't pay state employees with IOU's. But we don't have all your street corner Head Shops, er...Medical Marijuana Dispensaries!
Rhett -Loud pipes  September 29, 2010 02:06 PM
It will take many years for this to have any impact.... my bikes are 07 and 06 models.... I will probably replace them both in the next two years with new ones.... I will still fall into the before 2013 limit and have my loud pipes.... loud pipes save lives! bottom line. If you don't see me, you will hear me, when you can't see me or hear me... you kill me!
superbikewill -pipes  September 29, 2010 01:59 PM
more California fruitcake stuff...
Motorcycle Tech -leaf blowers,Car alarms  September 29, 2010 01:38 PM
So Arnold {And left wing } PAVLEY. What about leaf blowers? And my neighbors that "Arm" their LOUD Horn honking Car alarms at all hours of the night and day? Did you think about that when you signed the bill? One more thing, What about the "Tuner" cars and old hot rods that prouduce noise... from their Loud Pipes? Real easy to pick on a miniorty group aka Motorcycle Riders. I will be out of California before 2013.Arnold and Pavley need EPA approved Mufflers for their mouths!
me -title  September 29, 2010 01:02 PM
i ride an R6 with stock pipe it doesn't mean i can't see the problem with this type of law i also don't smoke but i don't like the gov't attempting to shut down legitimate businesses. READ the law. it cannot possibly be enforced with any integrity. the AMA proposed using a db meter and setting db limit which makes perfect sense. it's how you regulate aircraft, concerts, etc. no, they chose to go with an administratively burdensome solution. yes, YOU are short sighted
Paul -Custom Ride  September 29, 2010 12:57 PM
First it's interesting the the Gov is interested in changing laws regarding motorcycles. Isn't this is the same Gov that was in a motorcycle accident and didn't have a license? Isn't he the guy who is known to be an avid motorcyclist, but he disregards the law? One more example of a politician who wants laws to restrict everyone else but excuses himself. I'm curious about whether his motorcycles all have stock exhaust. Second, aftermarket exhausts sales represent a significant source of income for motorcycle shops and manufacturers. There are already laws on the books for loud pipes. Why not enforce the current laws without throwing a broad net that not only covers the really load pipes but also all aftermarket pipes? Most motorcyclist ride with concern for their own safety and they don't go out of the way to ignore other motorist or neighbors. There are a few who don't care how load their bikes are or how annoying it can be. It seems to me it would more sense to enforce the current laws against those who are clearly violating existing laws while allowing responsible bikers to enjoy their sport without more government intervention against all bikers who want to change their exhaust without going for the loudest pipes available. I also don't understand our politicians who seem to want to drive our economy into the ground by not taking into consideration all aspects of how their decisions might effect business and the economy.
Jan Mekota -Austrian...  September 29, 2010 12:46 PM
Maybe it is voice of his Austrian superego.. (austrians are mad about EP and noise protection..) :(
Kevin -Sorry you loud pipe lovers, this is what you get.  September 29, 2010 12:46 PM
We didn't police ourselves so someone else did. "me", it is laughable you are calling others shortsighted when you are the one who has the future happening right in front of him and doesn't realize it. If you make a big enough nuisance of yourself the complaints will eventually be heard. This is the result. I live on a busy street and the road noise is something I can live with. But hearing these window shaking loud pipes go by at 2am drives me insane. Stupid and unnecessary. Goes for those stupid little Honda Civcs and the like with those obnoxious exhausts that sound like a loud constant fart going down the road. Moronic.

And this will not hurt the industry. They will simply make pipes that meet noise regulations. As long as they 1. knock a few pounds off the bike and 2. add a boost in power and/or improve the delivery of the power they will still sell. For the fools who buy them simply to be loud, who cares if they don't buy them? I'd rather them not be on motorcycles at all ruining my good time.

The next thing we need is to get them off dirt bikes and to get people to water their private tracks so they don't kick up dust all over the place. Keep it up and we won't be riding anything anywhere.

Allan -regular guy  September 29, 2010 12:37 PM
I'm a motorcyclist, but mine has the stock pipes. And I'm continually embarrassed by the inconsiderate people that must have ridiculously loud pipes to feel like it's a "real" motorcycle. You can say it's government intervention, but folks in quiet neighborhoods are getting a lot of "intervention" too... from noisy bikers. There's no reason this bill has to cause loss of jobs. People that make aftermarket pipes just have to find ways to live within their decibel limits. They can still make pipes that increase performance and fuel mileage, or even sound better (if not louder). Riders may say feel that to make their "sound" is like freedom of speech. But I say, your freedom of speech stops where my eardrums get a beating!
Kevin -Good all around!  September 29, 2010 12:31 PM
I actually don't mind this law. They have it in Europe where their Motorcycles have to be inspected annually. The same pipes that are available on the market today (for the most part) meet the EPA standards with the baffels in place. It is the removal of those baffles that is the issue; and if you choose to remove the baffle, then you risk getting cited.

As for me. I have an aftermarket pipe, that meets On Road standards. I love the sound (lower and only slightly louder). But I live next to a street where some guy on a Harley goes by EVERY NIGHT around 1130p and wakes my son up out of bed (with the window shut)!!! This is unacceptable.


I applaud the decision, and I don't think it will affect anyone negativley... it will make the road a little quieter. You have to realize that it only affects bikes built on or after Jan 1 2013. So your bikes can still be as loud as you like...
me -title  September 29, 2010 12:26 PM
OH NO !!1

you had to listen to a loud motorcycle for 15 seconds as he passed you on the freeway.

you're probably going to die from the experience!!!!!

good job on giving the gov't a thumbs up. next time it will be something in which YOU have a vested interest.

people are so shallow and short-sighted.
IBKING -BOSS  September 29, 2010 12:13 PM
Could not happen fast enought for me.
Kenn -no surprise  September 29, 2010 12:03 PM
It's no surprise that the public is getting fed up with the annoyance of men acting like little boys crying out for attention. This should be a warning to those with their obnoxiously-loud straight pipes in other states.
Tarik -Pipes  September 29, 2010 11:36 AM
I like my pipes they r loud but not louder than a harly
Richard Kimes -Director of Marketing, Helmet House  September 29, 2010 11:05 AM
This bill has the potential to greatly affect the economics of the powersports industry in the near term. At worst it will add cost and negatively affect the aftermarket pipe manufacturers, make dealers more skittish about installing pipes that may have them face some form of penalties and is just another example of government intervention in another aspect of our lives. At best, we will have quieter, more socially conscious motorcycles and perhaps free up some consumer dollars for other accessories like helmets and apparel. All in all, if it were my call, I'd vote for the current status quo, at least until the economy is in a better place. Let's hope the folks at Cobra, Yoshimua, FMF, etc. have the R&D resources to address the bill and not be driven out of business.
wes -idoit  September 29, 2010 11:01 AM
What about the Harley you rode. I wonder how many businesses now have to go through hell to sell pipes is ca.