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Salt Addiction: Project 300

Tuesday, August 17, 2010
Technology, ingenuity, and hard headed stick-to-it-ness is the backbone of land speed racing. Take Burt Munro and his Indian Scout. Production of this machine began in 1920. Stock displacement was 37 cubic inches, (600cc) producing a top speed of about 55 mph. Burt tossed many of the OEM parts in favor of parts he built himself: pistons, flywheels, cams, overhead valves, even the lubrication system.
New Zealander  Richard Assen poses with his crew.
New Zealander, Richard Assen poses with his LSR crew.

His connecting rods were essentially ‘hand-carved’ from an old truck axle. Burt also experimented with streamlining, knowing that aerodynamics were a key element in his search for greater speeds. In its final form, his Indian Scout was fully enclosed in a composite shell. After half a century of development Burt can lay claim to having the “World’s Fastest Indian”, having an official time slip just over 190 mph and a claimed best top speed of over 200!

Enter the modern-day gladiators:
Jon Minonno – first over 250 on a sit-on bike, in 1992!
Scott Guthrie – 60 personal LSR records, Scott Guthrie Racing as a team, 380 records!
Jason McVicar – over 30 LSR records, first SCTA open bike record over 250 mph!
Shane Stubbs – 265 mph at Loring riding for Scott Guthrie Racing.
Leslie Porterfield – fastest female on sit-on motorcycle, 240 mph at BUB 2009!
Bill Warner – 272 mph at Maxton on a paved airstrip!
Joe Amo – 272 mph at Bonneville on a 1000cc machine!

Giving the thumbs up after completing a 264 mph pass.
Shane Stubbs giving the thumbs up after completing a 264 mph pass.
They may not carve connecting rods out of discarded axles or cake shoe polish into cracks in the sidewalls of their racing tires, but make no mistake, the same passion and desire burns in the belly of every one of these top contenders. We discuss the direction land speed racing is headed for the two-wheeled contender, and get their reaction to the reality that one of them may reach 300 mph on a sit-on bike in the not so distant future.

What has been the limiting factor as to why a sit-on bike has yet to reach 300 mph?

Richard Assen: Over 250 mph it is all about aerodynamics. We have more horsepower than we can get to the ground and are limited primarily by drag.

Tires become a key concern at 300 mph. What is being discussed and what—if any, tire is deemed ‘safe’ or the ‘right tire’ for this type of attempt?

Jason McVicar, Richard Assen, and Scott Guthrie all agree at this point LSR tires will have to be adapted to the bikes. It is a requirement at all SCTA sanctioned events.

What other safety concerns would you think need to be addressed as these top speeds become more prevalent?
This is a close-up of Jason McVicars tire which failed at a speed of around 240 mph. Imagine what it would look like if it failed at 300
This is a close-up of Jason McVicar’s tire which failed at a speed of around 240 mph. Imagine what it would look like if it failed at 300?

Shane Stubbs: Fire systems, back protection, and possibly neck protection.
 
Richard Assen: The effort required to hang onto the bike becomes quite intense. Some form of restraining device may help this.

Aerodynamics have played a key role in the latest speed gains. Bikes are beginning to look more like Burt Munro’s Indian with the sleek, longer bodywork. Are there new rules allowing additional streamlining that wasn’t allowed in the past?
 
Scott Guthrie: The change in SCTA “special construction” rules are promoting the biggest aero gains.
 
Leslie Porterfield: I’m headed to the wind tunnel to optimize what I have! I’m putting more focus on aerodynamics this year, and it seems to be paying off in my issues with traction, handling, and speed.

Richard Assen: SCTA and FIM have moved to allow extension of tail piece behind rear wheel as well as a few other adjustments.

Asphalt versus salt: Is there any advantage to running on the retired air force bases with their paved or concrete surfaces?

Jason McVicar: Traction is the limiting factor at Bonneville. Length is the limiting factor at the airstrips. Take your pick!
 
Tucked and on the gas  Richard Assen has proven hes one of the best on a sit-on bike on the salt.
Tucked and on the gas, Richard Assen has proven he’s one of the best on a sit-on bike on the salt.

Shane Stubbs: As it stands the asphalt surfaces hold more 260 mph passes than the salt on a sit-on motorcycle.
 
Leslie Porterfield: Traction is a huge benefit of the paved courses. Unfortunately, with the speeds that have been seen recently it’s obvious that distance for braking is a big issue.
 
*Note: Bill Warner and Joe Amo both have posted top speeds of 272 mph, Warner on pavement, Amo on the salt. All seem to agree there is more wheel spin on the salt which increases tire temperature and increases the possibility of a tire failure…

What other innovations are bringing speeds to an all-time high?
 
Jason McVicar: Traction control and boost control is the key to going fast in the future.

Shane Stubbs: Aero improvements and traction control.
 
Scott Guthrie: Suzuki Hayabusa – easy power for not a lot of money.
Leslie Porterfield accelerates away. Her hat is in the ring with some very stiff competition looking to be the first to 300 mph.
Leslie Porterfield accelerates away. Her hat is in the ring with some very stiff competition looking to be the first to 300 mph.

Is the thought of 300 mph on a sit-on bike intimidating to some competitors? When is it too fast for the good of the sport?

Jason McVicar: There will always be people pushing the limits of speed which may be out of some people’s comfort zone. If we can figure out how to run fast and minimize the risks, the sky’s the limit.
 
Leslie Porterfield: I don’t know what too fast is yet. I think it’s when the bike isn’t safe to ride at a certain speed. I think 300 mph can be achieved safely. Too fast is only when it is not safe. That can be 60 mph on a bike that handles bad!

Scott Guthrie: It is (too fast) to me. The chance of failure is much higher, the penalty much greater. That’s a lot of kinetic energy to dissipate before the body comes to a stop.
 
Richard Assen: Personally I would love to do 300 mph on my bike, and to be honest, it is achievable.

Should a catastrophic accident occur as a result of excessive speeds obtained on a sit-on bike, would that be cause enough to restrict aerodynamics or restrict power output in the name of safety?
 
Jason McVicar: I think we should look at increasing the safety of the bike and rider versus slowing the bikes down.
 
Richard Assen: God forbid an accident like that occurs, but it would push the button of restrictions and/or controls.
 
Leslie Porterfield: That depends on the cause of the accident. Racing is inherently dangerous, but safety at high speeds can’t be ignored. I think sharing information is important as speeds climb.

In summary, the key issues are tires, safety and improved aerodynamics. Each rider knows the risks, and yet no one is taking their hat out of the ring. It's an exciting time in LSR competition and we wish each contender success and many happy returns…
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Comments
Rocky Robinson -Correct Information - reply  September 2, 2010 07:22 PM
Hi Trillium, and thanks for responding to the article. I am in no way trying to take anything from your accomplishments on the asphalt. However, to be 'officially' recognized as the world's fastest, this would require an FIM (international sanctioning body) certificate which is the accepted standard for two-wheel world records. This also requires two passes, one in each direction within a two hour time frame where the average through the mile each direction is over the current record. As for your 241 top speed, kudos for a job well done. In my listing of "modern-day gladiators", I followed each name with a few of the highlites of their careers. There are many other worthy gladiators such as yourself. Thanks again for your comments.
Trillium Muir -Correct information  August 26, 2010 11:20 PM
Rocky, I (Trillium M) have a time slip that reads 241mph, so why would you print the Leslie P 240mph is the fastest female sit-on motorcycle. That would be like printing Joe Amo 272mph is faster then Bill Warner 273mph.
Tom Gates -Rider  August 20, 2010 05:51 PM
Thanks Bill, and I would like to go that fast and if anything did happen and I did die I would be doing what I loved without fear of where I was going next!
However, my humble opinion is that anyone going 300 is a long ways off. That may be because of my lack of knowledge about aerodynamics but I also think that tires are going to be a problem. No tire company is going to build purpose built tires because of the liability issues. It's going to take lots of research, data, and a well thought out plan. It will also take many people along with the perfect conditions and the perfect run all put together with an aggressive but safe rider. Along with everything else we need to remember the "diminishing returns" factor and that it's almost like we are racing up a hill that keeps getting steeper.
Rocky Robinson -Riders - 2  August 19, 2010 07:59 PM
The other riders mentioned by Bill Warner are defintitely credible mentions. There are still others not mentioned due to space restraints, sadly I'm capped at 1000 words per article here. Having said that, just having the opportunity to share ideas and concerns on this topic has been a worthwhile journey in my book and I look forward to the day that the next milestone is reached, which I'm sure many have at least dared to dream about. Thanks for the contributions everyone.
Bill Warner -reply to Steve  August 19, 2010 01:15 PM
No, I am just saying these people are just as much as contenders as the others. I was never asked about being thrown into the ring, My reply would have been "I haven't gone fast enough to be worthy of trying yet" Going over 270mph, 3 times, does not make me worthy yet.

The respect I speek of is of honor, not safety. Going down bad @ 250 or 270 will just produce less peaces of you to pick up then going down @ 290+
steve knecum -engine builder/racer  August 19, 2010 12:06 PM
Bill your 100% correct on the respect, that's why safety is the first thing that comes to mind. So your saying that the names you added would like to go 300?
Bill Warner -Riders  August 19, 2010 10:56 AM
At least 3 names should be added if these others are on That "list":
Dean Sabatinelli @ 269mph
Tom Gates @ 261mph (Texas Mile track record)
Fastest Woman = Trillium Muir 241mph

That 3 number is a big one to be throwing around and needs an amount of respect when even stated.
PAUL REES -PARACHUTE  August 19, 2010 09:57 AM
Could parachute like the ones that are used in ope cockpit dragboats be used on a bike/rider at thses speeds.
John Ditmore -LSR poser  August 18, 2010 10:40 AM
I thought I accomplished something when I did 202. Still happy with it but the 300 mph mark once seemed impossible and now it sounds like it's just a matter of time. Was floored when I first heard about Joe Amo and then Bill Warner. 272 is one thing, but on an asphalt mile? Still shaking my head. These folks are definately at the top of our sport. It's an honor to race with them, even if I'm nowhere near their level. Thanks for the awesome article as usual Rocky.
steve knecum -engine builder/racer  August 18, 2010 09:31 AM
I think it could be possible to go 300 if you had the perfect coarse,distance being most important,there's no sense trying to hurry up and do it, because now your rushing the objective and increasing risks, or it might be the right thing to do limit the stress on engine components run time as long as the tires can handle the heat build up. The bike would have to have the right aeros and traction control, and the right tires to do it safely. To date it looks like there would only be like 5 people wanting to do it, Richard, Bill,Joe, etc. Personally i reached my comfort zone and i am totally content on what i've acheived as a landspeed racer. One thing for sure is that person has to be sure he wants to be that person, there can be no second guessing.. You would have to realize the risks, and i'm sure they do.. Its not like we have 4 wheels. I think you have to start looking more at safety on how to survive an accident as much as you do building the bike to reach that speed. Its not just throw a turbo kit on and try to go fast..Approach every aspect, safety being first.. even if the project takes 3 yrs to build, maybe a suit that can open a shute to slow you down if a mishap occurs..and of coarse no stationary objects to hit helps.. Anybody can say yeah i wanna go 300 on a bike, but do they really want to??. Don't just think about your self think about your family first and ask your self am i needed here, then go for it in a systematically way, like Andy Green did. Hey i'm just an engine builder with a high school education. That's my thought on the subject..
Russ Montgomery -Racer  August 18, 2010 02:30 AM
I would have never believed that 270+ mph was possible until I heard about Joe Amo and later Bill Warner. I agree that throwing the treads from tires is one of the greatest threats to achieving higher speeds. This can only continue to become more common as more people run in the mid 200's or better. It has happened with brand new tires in every case that I am aware of. I can't see manufacturers making a tire for this with such a limited market. For now, running what's available is a chance we choose to take. As stated above, Aeros and traction control are the keys to speed once you have the power available. There is a lot of art and science there (and I could use a tutor).
Kirk Walton -300mph  August 17, 2010 11:11 PM
As usual, the safety technology is going to have to catch up with the performance. Hopefully the tire companies can make a tire that's safe on the salt at 300mph+. I'm all for pushing the performance, of course I'm not riding at those speeds...:) Good luck everyone!
T L Cole -Racer  August 17, 2010 10:35 PM
You've done it again Rocky. And the timing could not be better as many of us are watching this years events begin to unfold and see how these issues of aero, tires, etc work there way to the 300+ mark.

We wish all the top riders the fastest and safest of runs!
c casey -Rider  August 17, 2010 04:13 PM
Any thought of a drag chute that would deploy if the rider leaves the bike at speed?

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