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2009 DAYTONA SPORTBIKE SHOOTOUT
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Climb on as we put the Aprilia RSV1000R, Buell 1125R and Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R in this shootout between three of the stock machines that make up the AMA Daytona SportBike grid. Check out the full report in our
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July 24, 2010 05:25 AM
the whole vid there saying how the buell is so much faster just proves the point and anyways look who won in 2009 the buell NOT FAIR whats next a new 2500cc v-twin against the 1000cc I-4
April 7, 2010 07:51 AM
Just to clear a couple things up: 125cc was a typo, should read 1125cc. "Only Ducati pilots have had any chance for a podium thus far" is a reference to V-Twins in competition this season and their success thus far. @Jim: "Under powered and overweight. An engine based off a Hardly Ableson block ofcourse sucks!" Uh, it's not based on a HD engine at all. It's a product of a joint project with Rotax. It had nothing to do with an previous HD engine. 82 lb. ft of torque, what does your engine make? It also has a curb weight of 375lbs, hardly seems overweight to me. You're giving motorcyclists a bad name by opening your mouth. Get your facts straight before you embarrASS yourself anymore.
April 7, 2010 07:41 AM
I'm a Buell fanboy, so take my comments however you want but I think I'm pretty down the middle on this one. I get everyone's complaint about 125cc vs 600cc. Perhaps a fairer matchup would be a 800 or 900 cc V twin vs a 600cc I-4, but neither Buell or Aprilia built a sportbike in that displacement. Keep in mind, this was a bone stock comparo. One of the big V-twins was going to win no matter what. However, it's interesting to hear all the comments about how great the Buell handled and how far behind the Aprilia was. Handling has nothing to do with displacement. The Buell is simply a better handling machine than the competition. Once you apply the DSG/DSB rules and weigh the 1125 down a bit, it's levels the competition somewhat, but the torque of the 1125 is unmatched in that class. Add that to the obvious handling advantage that the 1125 seems to have on the competition and you can see why a very good rider like Eslick managed to win. Keep in mind, he was the only Buell 1125r rider to win a race all of last season. Eslick has run very well so far on his Suzuki in 2010, so you can't attribute all of his success to the 1125r. Could more be done to even up the big V-twins with the 600cc I-4s? Probably, but the most leveling factor is the rider. Only Ducati pilots have had any chance for a podium thus far. Personally, I think the 1125R belongs in the Superbike class only. I'd rather see these V-twin manufacturers build smaller 800cc bikes to compete in the DSB class instead of making some formula to gimp 1100cc+ bikes down to 600cc I-4 performance, but the rider clearly made the biggest difference in 2009.
April 6, 2010 03:07 PM
Wow I read all these comments about how bad Buell is and people talk trash about it. I wonder who I would rather listen to.... professionals who ride for a living. Or the people who ride on the weekends and don't know their ass from a hole in the ground in comparing these 3 bikes. Now I am sure everyone will have some clever response to this. And go right ahead. But fact is unless you actually have ridden all 3 back to back to back. Shut your mouth no one cares what you think. Listen to them at 3:25..... Buell best out of all 3, not what they expected but comes out on top. Ok have a nice day.
April 6, 2010 02:38 PM
Why would Buell Change their design. They chose to be a twin and not a 4 cyl. like Reaper said below... when you have 4 cylinders, you have more pistons working simultaneously to produce that power, therefore the engine is smaller. a 2 cylinder engine has less pistons which have to work that much harder to make the same kind of power that a 4 cyl has, hence the larger engine. it really isnt about the size of the engine so much as the internal working components of it.
March 16, 2010 08:25 AM
I don't see how a 600 vs a 1125 is fair at all if they cannot produce enouph power out a the size they are given then maybe they should change there design. Don't forget this is for racing. If they allow this then they should take off all there restrictions. f1 nascar gp ss and other all have restrictions, to rpm size wieght even hp. I know it gets alittle monotone when they all end up with the same size same design that they find to be the most efficient. But its about the riders skill and personal setup that makes them win. If thats not what they are going for they should allow everything they can think of turbo's, nos, guns, sticks whatever you can use to help you win if you can get a viper bike around the course and do well go for it. But that usually ends up with the person with the most money winning. And what about the v4's do they still get a 40% displacement advantage they are still a V. In the end HP comes from torque and rpm so how is it fair to have a Vtwin that puts out 50% more torque due to its size but the design doesn't allow it to rev as high the potential is still there. WTH too I have a vtr 1000 and its easier to ride than my r6 but the r6 will walk it evertime. Torque make it hard to ride my ass vtwin that can't even drift around a corner because the power is so choppy erch erch erch no worries about a high side there.
March 1, 2010 11:08 AM
To all the haters out there! Racing a 1125 V-Twin against a 600 I-4 is a fair fight, where the V-Twin ROMPS with torque, the I-4 owns with HP. It is all about power to weight and riding style. Myself having started on a SoftTail back in the day learned to ride torquey bikes better than bike with higher hp! Also, the Buell being a heavier bike, requires more umph to get going, if the rules were set for CC size alone, heck, EVERYONE would run a Ninja, or whoever is currently leading, but the DMG rules allow bike from all manufacturers, all different sizes to compete, and each bike is chosen per the riders comforts. Torquey V-Twins for guys like me, I-4s for guys who need more HP and cant handle the torque, and hell even the Speed Triple motors made by Triumph for those who want a good mix!
February 22, 2010 09:25 PM
Ya buell is now a thing of the past for good reason. Under powered and overweight. An engine based off a Hardly Ableson block ofcourse sucks! Ducati is the closest thing to a competitive v twin based engine. With the dimise of Buell and Harleys crumbleing empire, it's about time America started making real bikes. Oh and ya what an embaressment they stuck that 1125 in with a couple 600's! Thank god Buell is no more!
gixxer1k k8 rider
January 15, 2010 08:30 PM
thats like putting cats and dogs in the same cage. keep the engine styles in different classes. Next thing you know the japanese will make a wicked twin 1198, and embarass buell once again. hehehehe.
October 26, 2009 10:55 AM
I own a Buell 1125r and love it. I owned a suzuki TL 1000r and loved it also. Just the torque of the V's are a great feeling. The Buell is a different world to Japanese bikes with a noisy tranny and a noisy Rotax motor. However the Buell being a noisy bike gives it a personality of it's own that you don't get out of a Japanese bike that is very smooth and plush. Once you ride the Buell 1125r you will feel it's personality and see what I mean. We are lucky motorcyclists to be living in a time with such great bikes made by all kinds of companies from all around the world. I also laugh at the fools who say they hate this bike or that bike. I'm quite certain the DMG plugs in a lot of data to decide how bikes will compete. I see it as the V-twins have more displacement but it takes it twice as long to truck trough the power band. Once you factor in the weight difference it puts these bikes on fair ground.
September 3, 2009 12:55 PM
Raisel, You have issues man, lol. The Buell is down 2 cylinders as opposed to the 600's 4 cylinders. They have to double the CC in order to compete. They are equal. Don't hate because the Buell is that good. I had to choose between the Buell 1125r or the ZX-14 and I chose the Buell. I have absolutely no regrets, once you get used to the v-twin mannerisms, the Buell is an awesome machine in every way and an absolute blast to ride.
June 18, 2009 09:30 AM
Atlas you say in the end you have to give the nod to the Buell and that proves what you thought! or maybe your projecting what you thought about DMG onto the Buell! and maybe the Buell just won because it is that good!? I have a 2008 ZX10R and race expert class and I have ridden the Buell and I will say the Buell is just that good!
June 15, 2009 06:52 PM
Hats off to Mr. Atlas for a candid ride on the three bikes. In the end, it is, as he indicates, a clear point that the 1125R has the correct mix to compete fairly using the DMG rules. Atlas also indicated that he has reservations as to the fairness of those rules, so I'll give him an honest OK for voicing his feelings during the video. No matter what bike one rides or how angry one is about the Buell 1125R, the simple fact is, it now works better than the best pick 600 and a very expensive foreign bike. For the amount of measurable air to fuel, measurable horsepower and measurable weight as relates to the DMG specifications and limitations, the bikes are competitive. The races and their following have swelled and it is controversial. People love it and hate it but it sure is not boring. For all the folks who thought the 600 was the slickest pick...... be careful........ 1125Rs are lurking out there.
June 6, 2009 08:16 AM
Nice review with honest opinions that make sense. They managed to get away from baseless brand bashing and get to the heart of the manner, which is the best bike. Nobody cares about personal opinions about which brand you hate, nobody thinks you are that important.
June 4, 2009 02:30 AM
I really hate Buell. I mean, even more, quite a bit more actually, than I hate Yamaha. Don't get me wrong, Yamahas make good power, and they are fast and handle well and blah blah blah, but I just don't like them, even though I own one! There is just something about Yamahas that ticks me off a great deal, I can't really explain it. Maybe it's the "attitude" of the bikes, or something like that. Anyways, if you ask me, Buell, the company, is a big stupid joke. I just can't take them seriously. The only American "powersports" company that I do like is Chevrolet, and that really only because of the Z06 and ZR1. Sorry for going off topic here. This video just got me thinking a little. I am definitely of the mindset that racing an 1125 against a 600, officially, is pretty ridiculous. I mean, its a totally different story if you're out on the street (or even at a track) just having fun, but professionally, and calling it fair? That's just wrong if you ask me!
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