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2010 Honda VFR1200F First Look

Thursday, October 8, 2009
2010 Honda VFR1200F
Honda's 2010 VFR1200F "officially" breaks cover.
Honda just unveiled its all-new 2010 VFR1200F sport touring bike and MotoUSA got a chance to check it out at Honda's U.S. headquarters in Torrance, California.

Starting with a blank sheet of paper and highlighted by a V-4 engine and optional dual-clutch automatic transmission, Big Red calls this machine a future look into for their two-wheeled brand. Can you say: V-4 powered CBR sportbike? Who knows, but it sure makes my glands salivate. For now, here’s a look at the details on the 2010 VFR.

According to Honda, the idea was to create “a futuristic sport motorcycle for the sheer joy of riding, custom tailored for experienced hands who ride hard, ride long, ride far and ride often.” With a “MotoGP derived” V-4 engine at the heart of this mega-mileage sportbike, it features “a unique cylinder layout with rear two cylinders located innermost on the crankshaft and front cylinders located outboard.” This is said to narrow the rider interface aboard the VFR1200F.
2010 Honda VFR1200F looking straight at ya. Love it or hate it.
Honda says styling comes from “GP technology a with layer-concept aero fairing for unrivaled air management.”

The 76-degree liquid-cooled V-4 engine is designed to be as light and compact as possible, measuring 1237cc by virtue of an 81mm x 60mm bore and stroke. Compression ratio is 12.0:1, while it has a single overhead Unicam valvetrain setup with four valves per cylinder. The crankshaft is what Honda calls a “Symmetrically Coupled Phase-shift unit, using a 28-degree crankpin offset to eliminate primary engine vibration.” In other words, no counterbalancer is needed. Delivering fuel to the engine is “Throttle By Wire” technology that is mated to four 44mm throttle bodies, each with a single 12-hole injector spraying fuel.

Spent gasses exit via an asymmetrical-length exhaust system between the front and rear cylinders, said to “boost power production and enhance power feel.” Transmission is either a standard 6-speed unit with back-torque limiting clutch on the base model, or Honda’s all-new automated-manual dual-clutch setup. (For full Auto Clutch details go here.) Final drive comes in the form of shaft drive for this model, most likely to keep maintenance to a minimum.

Suspension is handled via a 43mm inverted cartridge fork up front with adjustable spring preload and 4.7 inches of travel. Out back is Honda’s Pro Arm single-sided swingarm suspended via single gas-charged shock with remote spring preload adjuster, rebound damping adjustability and 5.1 inches of travel.
A look at the cockpit from the all-new Honda VFR.
A view from the cockpit of the all-new Honda V-4. The gauges and controls are all very clean and very precise. Very Honda.
Exhaust gasses at expelled from the V-4 powerplant via a very interesting looking muffler.
Exhaust gasses exit via a futuristic looking muffler, matching some of the bike's other cutting-edge styling features.

The most noticeable difference on the new VFR is styling, which Honda says comes from GP technology "with a layer-concept aero fairing for unrivaled air management.” We're guessing this means the goal is to be both slippery through the air and comfortable behind the screen. The ergonomic package is also totally new, designed to aid in a more comfortable rider interface while remaining sporting. The new hand and foot controls are “smoother and more precise tactile feel to enhance the riding experience,” while new seat construction “permits a higher level of seat shaping and forming details,” says Honda's PR men. 

The VFR will come standard with saddlebag mounts on both versions. Claimed ready-to-ride weight is 591 lbs for the standard VFR1200F, while the dual-clutch is only slightly heavier at 613 lbs. Price has yet to be announced, but it will be available in Spring 2010.
Specifications 2010 Honda VFR1200F
Designed with two-up riding in mind  the new VFR is a true sport touring machine.
Honda VFR1200F / VFR1200F with Dual Clutch Automatic Transmission
Engine Type: 1237cc liquid-cooled 76° V-4
Bore and Stroke: 81mm x 60mm
Compression ratio: 12.0:1
Valves: SOHC; four valves per cylinder
Induction: PGM-FI 44mm throttle bodies
Ignition: Digital electronic
Transmission: 6-speed (VFR1200F) / Six-speed automatic with two modes and manual mode (VFR1200F with Dual Clutch Automatic Transmission)
Final Drive: Shaft
Suspension
Front: 43mm; 4.7 inches travel
Rear: Pro Arm single-side swingarm with Pro-Link® single gas-charged shock; 5.1 inches travel
Brakes
Front: Dual 320mm discs, CBS 6-piston calipers with ABS
Rear: Single 276mm disc, CBS two-piston caliper with ABS
Tires
Front:
120/70 ZR17 radial
Rear: 190/55 ZR17 radial
Wheelbase: 60.8 inches (1545mm)
Rake: 25-deg
Trail: 101.0mm (4.0 inches)
Seat Height: 32.1 inches (815mm)
Fuel Capacity: 4.9 gallons
Color: Candy Red
Curb Weight: 591 lbs (VFR1200F) / 613 lbs (VFR1200F with Dual Clutch Automatic Transmission)*
*Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel--ready to ride.




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Billy Hassell -price  January 10, 2011 01:07 AM
it said available in spring 2010 here we ar in 2011 and there is still no listed price. What might it be?
ANON -exhaust woes  September 7, 2010 08:31 AM
That exhaust system is soooo ugly that it literaly ruins the whole look of the bike. I cannot see anyone leaving that monstrosity on the motorcycle for long. Hell, a campbells soup can would look better than that, and probably sound better too.

I hope yosh or kerker or someone comes up with something to replace that with.
terry smyth -oldtimehonda rider  April 16, 2010 03:37 AM
As an owner of a VF750-1982 that I have owned since 1982 and several bikes since then I am appalled by the negative comments if the above ppl who have nothing else to do except denigrate a new product.
For me, after 18 years of owning a HONDA v4 I am thrilled that they now have a big capacity V4 tourer. I dont care if it is not up to the racing standards of some of the above comments, its not supposed to be
Its a "sports tourer", which at my age I want. The fact it hasnt got cruise control or heated grips is irrelevent,My BM R1150R has those and I rarely use them if at all.This bike, if successful for Honda will be the new benchmark for motorcycle engines and accessories that the origional V4's were, described then by the pundits as a scifi experiment. I notice that the new VFR 1200 has most of ther "SCIFI" stuff on the dashboard, whats changed?
And in the long run, after I buy one of these supurb motorcycles and Honda decides to change things, So what.
Give a thought to the Honda Design Team, they have to work years in the future, and the Honda workers who assemble the beautiful motorcycles that you denigrate as if they were pastries from wal-mart.
Get a life and give credit where its due

terry smyth -oldtimehonda rider  April 16, 2010 03:37 AM
As an owner of a VF750-1982 that I have owned since 1982 and several bikes since then I am appalled by the negative comments if the above ppl who have nothing else to do except denigrate a new product.
For me, after 18 years of owning a HONDA v4 I am thrilled that they now have a big capacity V4 tourer. I dont care if it is not up to the racing standards of some of the above comments, its not supposed to be
Its a "sports tourer", which at my age I want. The fact it hasnt got cruise control or heated grips is irrelevent,My BM R1150R has those and I rarely use them if at all.This bike, if successful for Honda will be the new benchmark for motorcycle engines and accessories that the origional V4's were, described then by the pundits as a scifi experiment. I notice that the new VFR 1200 has most of ther "SCIFI" stuff on the dashboard, whats changed?
And in the long run, after I buy one of these supurb motorcycles and Honda decides to change things, So what.
Give a thought to the Honda Design Team, they have to work years in the future, and the Honda workers who assemble the beautiful motorcycles that you denigrate as if they were pastries from wal-mart.
Get a life and give credit where its due

Bruce -Big  March 3, 2010 08:39 AM
Put this motor in a "new" Magna & I'll be the first one to put in a order.
003N -Interesting  February 21, 2010 07:46 AM
AND I'm an old school Battle Star Gallactica fan and that front headlight is the outline of the cylon centurion's face. Very futuristic and progressive. I like the looks too.

003N -Interesting  February 21, 2010 07:36 AM
I am a 39 year old 6"3" male who never could afford to ride motorcycles but has always been interested in two wheels (road bikes, moutain bikes). I've always loved the freeing sensation of two wheels. I always steered away from motorcycles because of the manual transmission and there was no way I was getting a scooter! This bike(big) is a perfect resolution to my woes with an automatic twist and go transmission and ABS brakes (safety for new rider) which I can now afford to buy. I just wish it had traction control (more saftey for new riders lured by the automatic transmission) but this may be my boy instead of the Aprilia 850 Mana. Thoughts?
HF -Trying to kill two birds with one stone - fail  February 6, 2010 09:23 AM
This bike probably is an excellent replacement for the Blackbird, but for the VFR800 as well? I don't think so. The styling is growing on me now I've forgotten what it could have looked like (all those magazine artist impressions!), but the engine sounds uninspiring unlike previous VFR's, and now we have no middleweight sports tourer, with the emphasis being on sport!
Rainbow7 -VFR1200F  February 4, 2010 11:59 PM
This bike is beautiful. - BMW styling, with a V4 engine and shaft-drive! What's not to like? The only thing I don't love is that fugly muffler but it's only a matter of time until Yoshi comes out with a better alternative. And this bike will be far, far more comfortable for touring than a Busa. Also, it's a Honda, so you know it'll be the last word in reliability and quality.
Morgal -Was the 6th gen VFR to small?to light?  February 4, 2010 08:19 AM
I don’t boast the credentials of the other posters here but I do own a 2005 VFR 800 and love it.
I look at VFR1200F and say...No.

It addresses none of the complaints I had with the VFR800.
I enjoyed the VFR because it was a sport bike I could ride all day. This is why I bought it.
Does making it a 1200 make it sportier? Does making it heavier make it sportier? Does giving it a small tank let me ride it longer? Does the lack of any touring amenities make it any better? No.
Is the VFR 1200 sportier than the VFR800? No
Is the VFR 1200 More touring able? No

What did I want in the 2010 VFR?
Less mass
3 bags standard
Slightly better performance
Tighter Turning radius(always bugged me when the bars hit the tank.)
Better wind protection
Adjustable pegs
Similar ergos but with higher bars
More comfortable pylon seat for if and when my wife did ride(partly addressed by standard third bag)
12v plug

All of this was do able without to much work. The VFR is a great bike and in 7-8 years a performance increase within the same displacement is not an unreasonable request.

Also for the cost there asking I’d rather get a CBR 1000 if I stayed Honda and kit it out as a touring bike. Even though the CBR 1000 is death on wheels(really that things is nuts)

I’m glad I have my VFR800 it’s sporty like a pure sport bike, yet I can and have ridden it for 12h with no issue. I have taken it through twisties I have taken it 1/2 way across the country. The VFR1200F offers me nothing compared the what many VFR riders considered the fattest least sporty VFR….well my 6th gen no longer holds that tittle.

TTT -Engine sound...  January 25, 2010 04:18 PM
New videos don't sound good to me. Boring in fact. Could that classic VFR beat have been lost with this new narrow angle engine? I hope it sounds better when an aftermarket exhaust is brought out for it.
VFR800rider -Save Some For US  December 27, 2009 10:23 AM
There is no doubt that this is the most truly amazing idea on 2 wheels to hit the US streets ever. I hope Honda has ample supply in their showrooms here in the US. Being in the car business, it pisses me off to see coments(HAJA MOHIDEEN)asking how to get one of these in India?!? WTF! They'll only beat you down on the price untill your bloody, then after you've decided to let it go for no profit, they'll walk away from the deal to go badger somebody elese. Let's get as many as these VFR1200f's in the showrooms and on the streets of the US.
RedRyderRob -Ugly  December 22, 2009 01:09 PM
I'ts ugly in pictures but I commend Honda for taking the risk by doing something new and different. I still love my 1998 VFR.
Dave VFR Rider -Missed the point  December 17, 2009 01:10 PM
Most of you have missed the point. It's not about building a V4 CBR, it’s about building a bike that can do everything well. I ride a 2000 VFR800 and it's the best bike I’ve ever ridden. I doesn't do any one thing better than all other bikes, but it does everything well. It is more than fast enough, its way more comfortable than any sport bike. And it will carry enough for a weekend. Honda has built a fitting replacement, if it rides well. I ride everyday I can and I ride long when I can. A CBR is great at the track or around town but after 4 hours in the saddle they **are uncomfortable**, and a Gold Wing is great on the open road, but in traffic they're a pig.
There is a middle ground for those of us that want our bike to do it all. I obviously haven’t ridden one yet but others have and report good things.
Styling, I saw one at the International Motorcycle Show, you couldn't touch it, but the styling is great. It doesn't have any extra garbage in the style, just function. Some of you have said that it looks fat, "ain't so" It's not a small bike, but it is trim.
It isn't and never was a Repsol MotoGP Honda. Doesn't mean it's not a great bike.

Dave
Iser -Ride it first  November 4, 2009 01:47 PM
Just ride it first before posting nasty comments..
The Gibster....(gixxer k9...1k) -VFR1200 new tehnology concept  November 1, 2009 04:58 AM
I think Honda has also introduced a new fuel management strategy..eg; when cruising 1..2..3 cyclinders will shut down to conserve fuel. So I think this bike can be ridden hard as a sports bike and use alot of fuel for short trips or when on a long ride at cruising pace increase its range by cylinder elimination.

But, as everyone has mentioned so far in these threads..the new VFR is a rotund (fat). When I see one of these fat ladies on da road I will be courteous and allow it to waddle its way round corners..lmfao!!
Keith Wheeler -VFR 1200F  October 28, 2009 02:54 PM
Dear all are we not sich of so called experts who boho anything thats less then a Moto GP Bike. Motorcycling is but so much more then just scratching round corners or the quarter mile. Come on people this is an auto 1200 for crying out loud Go you good thing Honda for trying to offer something differant. Motor cyclist come in all sizes and ages and not all of them are real Rossi's.
Steve -Which Category???  October 23, 2009 07:34 AM
I echo the comments of others. So it's not a tourer and it's not a sportbike......then what is it??? Is honda trying to be in the middle by compromising between a tourer/sportbike??? VFRs as I have always known it to be, has been related to sportbikes, with the versitility of a comfortable ride......not aggressive like a sportbike. This bike to me makes zero sense. The loyal honda sportbike loyalists have been waiting for "Moto GP" inspired V-4 sportbike forever, and now honda has adorned us with this??? Look, I owned a CBR 1100xx, and I loved my blackbird, but this new V-4 isn't even in the same category. The Busa and ZX14 got it right, awesome power with the manuverability of a sportbike and a comfort of a tourer. Why didn't honda reclaim it's crown as the most powerful sportbike like they did with the beloved blackbird, except introduce it in a V-4 engine??? 600 pounds....extra 3 inchs longer, WOW!...what a pig!!!!! Lastly, what is the deal with the terrible styling??? Gee, whoever designed the look of this bike obviously designed the 08-09 CBR 1000rrs.....just plain flipping ugly!!!! That's why I ride a 07 CBR 600rr <----which looks awesome!!!! Sorry Honda, but you just lost a customer looking for V-4 honda sportbike, because this bike definitely isn't it. It's ashame, such a long wait for a powered V-4 power sportbike......and this is the best honda gives us. I call this bike the "cross-over" bike.
UHanel -Honda VFR 1200F  October 22, 2009 12:17 AM
I hope Honda reads some of the comments other people made about this new model. I owned 5 other motorcycles over the years; never a Honda.In my opinion this new Honda looks nice and modern and I really like the concept but not the technical data.OK, here is my dream specification:1000 cc, 120 hp, at least 20 l fuel, curb weight under 230 kg with bags, seat height 790 - 810 mm, all other things are fine.So, Honda may be you make a little brother like a VFR 1000F but do not use chain drive
AZHOBO -NEW VFR  October 19, 2009 01:21 PM
My '02 VTEC abs model is one of five bikes I own. It's just about to hit 50K miles. I love it. I love the look, the sound, the brakes, the luggage capacity and its versatility. I don't love the seat, the weight and the valve adjustment.
The new bike looks like it hits all the marks for me. I'm planning to buy one fully optioned... depending on the price of course. I'm not happy about the added weight, but I'll put up with it for the added power. I've already started a savings account and I'm taking donations!!!

Flying "S" -Nice Job Honda  October 17, 2009 07:52 AM
An alternate perspective...It certainly seems as though Honda has aimed at the market segment between K1300S & K1300GT. Several of the details are quite "BMWish" Foot pegs,wheels,seat design, grab rails, rear axle hub and other pieces are reminiscent of "K" Bike series. Even the engine output at 170hp (lifted off an EU site and translated into hp)lands nicely between the K1300S at 175hp and the 166HP of the K1300GT. For those of us who ride these freeway fliers in the world between 1198s and Gold Wings,and are a little older and a lot taller than the average, an extra three inches of size here are a good thing. To my taste and this point of view, the VFR is a jewel! I look forward to finding out if the bike is as good,dynamically as it appears to be and the fit, finish, and durability are up to the highest standards. Nice job Honda! I hope to add one of these to my own garage.
Kirk -vfr1200  October 17, 2009 07:32 AM
Flat side panels Boring look. A 4.9 gal gas tank?? is this for city riding? Heated grips,power outlets, simple gear ind. great head lights
we do ride at night. and the list goes on and on another year of waiting. So sad.
Shocked. -I give up on Honda  October 16, 2009 04:38 AM
Ok, the cbr1000 broke new ground when it came to ugliness. But this... This machine is out of this world ugly. Seriously they must be receiving help from powers beyond our solar system. No human could could come up with a design so horrid on their own! R.I.P. Honda.
Lawrence Hiebert -About the VFR, I was just wonderin'..........  October 15, 2009 11:02 PM
When did Honda hire BMW's design team?
RJ -VFR1200 Standard not Sport Tourer  October 14, 2009 02:02 PM
I really like what I see so far and think Honda has put forward a very solid bike. I also hope for comfort when I throw my leg over it at 6'2" which is not all that typical from Honda but I can dream. Conceptually I never viewed this bike as direct competition for the FJ, Connie or even an ST1300 replacement as the comments below suggest. To me, the lack of certain key touring features mentioned in previous comments (tire pressure monitors, heated grips/seat, cruise control, etc...) raises expectations for the Sport Touring category and places the VFR more in line with the standards like an FZ1 or Z1000 that is commuter friendly and has some touring capabilities. Which is okay with me, as this means less parts that may break and more of a purist attitude. Does this mean another version is yet to be launched for the ST1300 replacement? That could be as well, and this could only be a safe launch in a poor economy with the bells and whistles to come later if future market conditions can bear it. It will be interesting to see how the competition in the standard category reacts in response to Honda's release of the VFR. Will we end up seeing a third generation FZ1 with the cross-plane crankshaft to compete? We even see possible plans for the full fairing Bandit to be released to the US market. A 'Standard' war has been coming for almost a decade now, let's hope the economy does not put a damper on advancement and we can finally see some interesting development to alternative fuels, engine configurations, and even automatic transmissions. (if there's a market for it... I'm still not convinced)
Mike -no longer a VFR  October 14, 2009 12:53 PM
The VFR used to be a sport bike, no touring about it whatsoever. In the 1990's Honda added features to make it a sport-touring machine, and it was perfect. But then Honda let it get fat, and now has decided that it's easier to throw a bigger engine on it rather than put it on a diet. What a shame. No one will ever be able to agree on feature details -- that's what the aftermarket is for -- but Honda seems to have compromised this bike too much. Ignore your styling impressions and just look at the facts: - the 2009 Interceptor weighed 540, the VFR1200 now weighs 591+ pounds. In the "good old days", the 5th gen 1998-2001 VFRs weighed less than 500 pounds. Honda is making this a touring bike, not a sport bike. - the wheelbase of the 2009 Interceptor was 57.4 inches. The VFR1200 measures 60.8 inches --- almost 3 and a half inches more! Goodbye, nimble canyon carving. We are definitely in touring territory now. - Honda gave in to popular demands by giving the loud rabble their liter-plus VFR. This is a mistake, because now Honda has to upsize the rest of the machine (frame, brakes, etc) and implement expensive technological gimmickery to keep emissions and fuel economy within legal and Honda's self-imposed limits. Thus the MSRP price for the added engine power might not be worth it. Performance-oriented owners know that a VFR800 can be bored out and tuned to achieve all the HP benefits with less cash outlay than this new big bike. - Interestingly, Honda made some strange compromises that don't make sense. The VFR800 had a 5.5 gallon tank, and the VFR1200 has 4.9 liters. Does Honda think that the bigger, heavier bike will be ridden by people with less snappy wrists? How will this appeal to the small vocal minority who have been clamoring for a Honda-branded FJR? I have no worries that Honda will eventually sort out its controversial styling issues -- plastic is easily changed. However, I am VERY concerned that Honda has abandoned the mid-weight sport touring market. The new VFR1200 is simply not the machine i am looking for. If I wanted an FJR or BMW, I would have saved up for one. My VFR750 will remain in the stable for a long time to come unless Honda offers a new, smaller 700-800cc middleweight version of this bloated V4-bike. As Bob J correctly pointed out, the new machine is a VF1200ST, as it is not in the same range as the beloved VFR SPORT-touring bikes.
Bob J. -Too much techno whiz  October 13, 2009 10:53 PM
As a long time rider and owner of many Honda VFRs (from the '86 750, RC-30 to my present '98 VFR800)I am disappointed in some features. I am disappointed that Honda tried to make this a bike for all purposes that leads to too many compromises. I would have preferred a true sport-touring machine with: 1. Electric windscreen (like my former Suzuki Katana 1100) 2. Adjustable foot pegs 3. Heated grips 4. Higher handlebars 5. 12v outlet (for radar, electric clothing, etc.) I don't think I like the "cylinder-management-system" where it runs with less than all 4 cylinders when experiencing light loads. Also, damn it, bring back the gear-driven cams! The proper title should be VF1200ST (sport-touring), not VFR. The muffler hurts my eyes. Please hang the designer. I was hoping for a 1000cc VFR, similar to my '98 with luggage and the 5 points I mentioned above. Then the price, possibly, could have been below $13,000 US. I've seen some mention that the price could "start" at $17,000 for the basic model. The model with the zippy transmission could run over $20,00 out-the-door. That could be a very hard sell. I still wish Honda good luck on this one but I think the US marketing team dropped the ball by not developing a good feedback system from Honda VFR riders.
Carnall -Sachin  October 12, 2009 05:48 PM
“Shouldn't we atleast wait for a detailed ride report on this bike before putting judgments about it's handling and touring capabilities OR the lack of them”? Sachin, didn’t you have a first impression of this bike as you saw the pictures and read some of the specs? I did.

Some things I can tell right off the bat if I like it or not or want it or not. Having some moto journalist telling me it is comfortable means nothing if he is 6 in. shorter and 40 lbs lighter than me or the other way around. The journalist’s perception of fast or good handling may not match mine. I’ve ridden some bikes the media thought were great but I disliked the bike after riding them. An opinion is all you really get from a bike review once you already have the specs and stats. I have ridden and owned enough bikes to know what I want and don’t want. I have my own independent thought and don’t need someone else’s opinion to guide me towards a decision on what bike I should consider buying.

This first look provides a fair amount of info and so does Honda’s web site. Other than price, which will be a given of $17K or more especially the dual clutch option, and HP numbers which will fall somewhere in the 130-140 rwhp range what more do you really need to know in order to put together an educated opinion or as you call it “judgment”?
Sachin -Let's wait  October 12, 2009 02:08 PM
Shouldn't we atleast wait for a detailed ride report on this bike before putting judgments about it's handling and touring capabilities OR the lack of them? I mean, yes, the wind screen looks small but we don't really know how aerodynamic it is, or do we? And yes, the riding stance is quite sporty but still we do not know if this is actually uncomfortable on long rides! Opinions are fine, but judgments are not as some people are putting them across so confidentally!!! I would like to trust Honda with the capabilities of this bike, just like its other!
Racer1 -Sam...  October 12, 2009 10:43 AM
I understand your points- and I am totally down with the advance of technology... I love slipper clutches, traction control, ABS, etc. not to mention the improvements in EFI and general engine, frame, suspension and tire technological advances. I am by no means a Luddite. My beef is not with the technology (or even the dual clutch, which is not my cup of tea, but may suit some folks)... My issue with this bike is twofold... from a personal point of view I am in the market to move from my Blackbird to a more sport touring bike. The 1200 VFR would be an ideal platform for a sport tourer but this incarnation misses the mark by a long shot. My second point is that it misses most other marks also, it's not a GP derived Gixxer beater, or a Hayabusa killer - it's an expensive UJM. I'm not sure who the target market is and I'm not sure a UJM needs to be this expensive and technology heavy (or for that matter, weight heavy also).
Sam eee -new tech  October 12, 2009 09:16 AM
If some people had their way, we would all be driving chain drive, 650 Triumphs because we don't need no new-fangled technology. Not meant to offend anyone or those 45 hp classics! I say thanks Honda for advancing motorcycle technology. I am a BMW rider that appreciates BMW tech advancements, and really appreciate Honda's quality (and price point). To the "scooter transmission" comments, a dual clutch trans is as far from a belt drive scooter trans as you can get...far removed from an automatic transmission for that matter. I am sure there was a time when car purists thought that an automatic in a car was joke. By the way, all performance car companies have or area developing a dual clutch tranny.
Racer1 -Figured it out  October 12, 2009 07:44 AM
Dale's points echo my own and helped me place this bike in the market... it's just the newest version of the UJM, a standard that does everything OK but nothing brilliantly. A very over engineered, expensive and trick Bandit 1200 if you will... If this is the case, and its rivals are the FZ1, Bandit, Monsters, maybe the Sprint ST (although none of those have shaft drive) then its market has to be wealthy technophiles who just want a do it all bike. Trouble is, if money were no object, I'd be getting an 1198, an FJR1300 and a Speed Triple and have the best of all worlds instead of a Jack of all trades...
From Dale's Blog -VFR 1200  October 12, 2009 05:46 AM
What is it? Is it a sport bike? if so it seems awfully big for it. Hustling a 600 lb bike through the twisties can be done, of course, but all that extra weight has inertia to match, which limits its canyon-carving ability. Is it a touring bike? Then why is the tank so small, fuel range so compromised, and the luggage so downsized? Is it a ‘Busa-style superbike? Then why only 170 horses? Ultimately, a ‘Busa or ZX-14 will be admiring it in their rear-views. The more I look at it, the more it seems like a niche bike without a…niche.
Devil Machine -honda suicycles  October 12, 2009 04:16 AM
I think that the VFR has been relegated to being Honda's new technology whore. Honda has done this in the past on a couple of bikes. Anybody remember the plastic maggot CX500? It was Honda's first V twin bike. They tried out fuel injection on it. They even made a turbocharged version of that turd when everybody was experimenting with turbos. Now they use the VFR the same way to try out junk like VTEC and automatic dual clutch transmissions. Honda's choices of bikes to do this with don't seem to make a lot of sense. The CX500 was hardly a sporty bike and yet Honda bolted a turbo up to it regardless of the fact that it weighed a ton and they had better bikes available to try it on. The VFR WAS a rather sporty bike in the beginning and they had to go mess that up with VTEC, 150+ extra pounds, and now a scooter transmission.
Eric -2010 VFR1200 SS  October 11, 2009 03:56 PM
New market? I can live with that. As the cruising market in general is booming, manufactures need to start making more hybrids! Kodudos to Honda to take the first steps! But... using the VFR name???
Maybe a VFR1200 SuperSport class???
Thank you "EXPERTS" for your input aswell!
thesoapster -The look of it  October 10, 2009 09:38 PM
I was hoping the new VFR wouldn't look like some of the spy shots I had seen before. Ugh. I really am not a fan of the look.
Michael -VFR  October 10, 2009 07:54 PM
I am on my third VFR and have been a big fan. I had an 86 VFR700- bought it new and put 45,000 miles on it. Then a 94 VFR750 which I bought with 10,000 miles and traded at about 53,000 miles (I traded for a V-Strom but that is a different story). Now, I am riding an 03 VFR800 which had about 12,500 on it when I got it. It has about 19,000 at this time. Each of these bikes was/is good for different reasons. The 86 was the most sporting (lightest). The 94 seemed the most well balanced and a little more comfortable. Plus, it still had gear driven cams.(and no VTEC). The 03 is a great bike but my favorite is one of the first two. The VTEC takes some getting used to but it sure is comfortable. I rode from Raleigh to Nashville in one day last Spring (610 miles). I used to ride long distances but that was my first time in the last 10-12 years to go that far in 1 day. The 03 is comfortable enough (with Heli bars) to go cross country. I think the new bike is moving further away from what I seek as a buyer.
Flyfisher -I'm the target market  October 10, 2009 04:15 PM
I want a comfortable sports bike. I will sacrifice super-light weight and track responsiveness for the ability to travel longer distances and commute in comfort. I will sacrifice the ability to carry more "stuff" in favor of better performance and fun in the twisties. I can't have two bikes. If I could it would be a Ducati 1198 and a BMW K1300GT. The new Honda VFR may be the answer with a manual transmission. The 'Busa is ugly and dated. The K1300S has issues with the engine stalling, although it's better looking than the new VFR by far.

The VFR looks though..... ugh. The nose looks like it came off a turtle.
Keith -1200  October 10, 2009 02:36 PM
Not digging the bodywork at all.. Ick!! I'm sure it will perform excellent up to Honda standards; just wishing it had different form :-)
R1200RT Rider -VFR 1200  October 10, 2009 01:38 PM
It is obvious that there is a lot of confusion over this new bike. From the first look it is not a Sport Touring bike as the riding position is set for a sport bike. I think the readers were hoping for more of a Sport Touring ride. Kawasaki has really upgraded the C-14 for 2010 and Yamaha has eliminated the automatic FJR because is was a poor seller. Now Honda comes out with an automatic option. Maybe they should consider the automatic trans for the Goldwing crowd. For this bike to be considered a Sport Touring bike I would think it would at least have to have cruise control, heated seat and grips, a higher adjustable windscreen, tire pressure monitor and some nice sized easily removable side cases and top case.
Racer1 -Jerry, Jerry...  October 10, 2009 07:42 AM
Yes, I am an expert - an expert in knowing what features I want on bikes I may own and an expert in knowing what I look for in a "sport tourer." I want a sport tourer to have a higher (adjustable) screen, heated grips, higher bars, roomier seat also maybe some form of cruise control, tire pressure indication, power outlets, decent warranty, etc. I am in the market for an FJR1300 right now having considered the ST1300, BMW K1300GT and the Connie 1400 - this bike isn't comparable to those judging by the specs and features so in my expert opinion it's missed it's mark FOR ME. Maybe that wasn't where it was aimed - no problem, then it's going for a different demographic and market segment, I'm not sure what that is, but in my expert opinion, it's not me. Clearly you can only form an opinion when someone else tells you what your opinion should be.
KM -VFR1200  October 10, 2009 07:01 AM
I am glad to see that honda come out with a bigger VFR; it seems to have alot of technology. I was hoping for somthing to compete with the ZX1400; hopefully thats in the cards or I will be like nicky good by Honda.
Guy23 -Jerry  October 9, 2009 11:20 PM
What qualifies your comment as being “expert” Jerry? We are giving our opinions just like you just did. If we are supposed to wait for a full test and such then why did MUSA and all the other media give us a first look and ask us for comments?

This is a first look and we are giving our first opinions on our first impressions. Besides no “detailed test ride report” will tell me if I like the way it looks, if I even want an automatic transmission on my bike, change the warranty period, add saddle bags, change the gas tank size, and etc.

This is my expert opinion.

Gritboy -Lordy be, that's one FUGLY bike  October 9, 2009 04:53 PM
A Sprint ST is pretty. A VFR 800 ain't too shabby either. A Concours looks the purpose. A CBR1000RR is sexy in an understated way. The VFR 1200 is just plain FUGLY.
Jerry -Experts!  October 9, 2009 02:01 PM
Great! Seems like guys here are already giving "expert" comments even before riding it or having a detailed test ride report on their hands!! Great going guys!
Scott -VFR1200F  October 9, 2009 01:39 PM
I was hoping for something closer to the current 800, with more displacement, more power and less of the techy trickery like the linked brakes and VTEC. A VFR1000 with 125hp at the rear wheel, low 500s rolling weight and sport toury ergos would have hit my mark quite nicely and should have been pretty easy to deliver. And while they did deliver more displacement and power, I think they went too far and it seems like we are getting a replacement for the ST1300. Think I'll keep my Sprint ST.
brad vassey -VFR 1200F  October 9, 2009 11:37 AM
Was ready to buy 160bhp VFR1200 with touring specs that competes with Concours, BMW 1300gt, FJR; not an overweight, shaftie "sport" bike with bags. I am getting tired of my ST1300 for obvious reasons. I am a Honda rider but will go to one of the other brands to get an up-to-date sport-tourer if Honda doesn't intend to offer one. Well? My time line is winter 2010.
Racer1 -Confused  October 9, 2009 11:19 AM
I'm also a bit confused about the role and placement of this bike... If you put it up against an FJR1300 or a Connie 1400 it falls well short in amenities, comfort and long distance touring abilities. If it goes up against more sporty offerings, it's hugely overweight and not competitive. This renders it something of a middle of the road bike - what is the market? Were people asking for a Blackbird with shaft drive? Obviously it'll be an all round competent bike, but whatever you are doing on it - touring, canyons, weekend trips, commuting, Sunday blasts, Iron Butt long haul rides... there is a better option... that hardly makes it ground breaking. I have a Blackbird (CBR1100XX) and have kitted it out for touring with risers, bags, higher screen, Throttlemeister, Corbin seat, etc. and apart from the shaft drive it seems very similar to this offering, but I wouldn't be interested in a straight swap from what I've seen so far.
BMW Rider -VFR1200  October 9, 2009 05:47 AM
How can Honda call this thing a Sport TOURER? No cruise control, heated grips or seats and poor windscreen. Riding position like a sport bike and whats with that ugly muffler. I will stick with my BMW R1200RT. The Jap bike makers will never get the Sport TOURER bike right. They rebag a sport bike and call it a Sport Tourer.
Phillip -VFR 1200  October 9, 2009 02:02 AM
I like everything but the pipe but I guess thats a sign of the times. I bet it will cost a lot to replace it with something goodlooking and take some figuring too since Honda puts multiple sensors on their products. I liked the old bikes looks a little more but that one has been around for a while and I can understand their wanting to upgrade. First time I can remember Honda using a 12 to 1 compression ratio on a production bike though..
Sachin -Promising motorcycle  October 9, 2009 01:09 AM
Looks very promising with a completely unique styling which looks good to me. Seems like it is going to give years of riding pleasure to its rider :)
Chucky -Just a Name  October 8, 2009 09:11 PM
When you go to Honda’s VFR web page it shows the time line and history of the VFR. As I already knew, it is loaded with mostly racing roots and very sporty production bikes.

To me, it seems like Honda is borrowing or just plain stealing the brand equity or customer perception of the VFR name and are putting the three letters on a bike that is on the other end of the spectrum from which the VFR was born from. Think of a current Hemi Dodge Charger R/T; it looks nothing like nor did it come from the same roots as the original Hemi Charger R/T, especially with FOUR doors. My point is Honda could have given this 1237cc sport-touring bike a different name and nobody would say hey that is what the next generation VFR should have been. Just the same Dodge put a name that came with a reputation on their new four door sedan but if they called it something else nobody would think of it as a Hemi Charger.

I used a car analogy so my point could be clear and concise and because it isn’t that often motorcycle manufacturers do this sort of “perception labeling”. Usually they call the bike what it is, usually.

Honda could have made a real VFR based off their V4 GP bike. That would be cool and true to the roots and name VFR, it would probably sell 3 to 1 compared to “this” VFR.

Because Honda has chosen to go in this direction it is clear that they don’t have any plans to build a GP like replica. Honda couldn’t give away the previous VFR800 and the ST1300 sales are almost as bad. This 1237cc sport touring machine will be more complex and expensive than the VFR800 and ST1300 and offer pretty much the same usefulness. Certainly it will be a quality bike but without any true VFR qualities just the three letters.

SilverStreak -Smooth Aero Styling  October 8, 2009 06:15 PM
The Honda engineers have obviously done a lot of wind-tunnel testing on the farings and windshield profiles. As a FJR1300AE rider, it will probably be exceptionally smooth cutting thru the wind over 80 MPH. This is where other bikes get squirrely with a lot of wind buffeting and noise. I’m almost positive this bike will be a great rider on the interstate when passing those turbulent 18-wheelers. The engine specs promises to be Superb at both high-speed touring and canyon cutting. As for the styling: Form follows function. If it works, then it’s right. There is no way you will be confused with the other sport-touring bikes it will compete with. It looks like a winner to me.

Bruce -VFR1200F  October 8, 2009 05:26 PM
I like it, a lttle heavy,but for what its for,nice bike,you want a sportbike, get a CBR1000...I want to see more and see what happens in the aftermarket area's to lighten it up...beautiful looking bike
Ricky -Awaiting the ST version  October 8, 2009 05:01 PM
I've been eyeing an ST1300 for about a year now, but got distracted by the pre-announce news on this rumor. Now that it's here in VRF (sporting) form, I'm looking forward to see if an ST form emerges. Hoping for a bit lower foot pegs, a more up right riding position, and a bigger screen. I'm very eager to see the variable-cylinder-management. Only so-so about the idea of the dual clutch, hyper efficient transmission thingie. I don't need the acceleration and I'm not believing it will be much better at economy. I can't wait for a head to head comparison review of ST1300 to (hypothetical VF from of) ST1200.
Cedar -VFR?  October 8, 2009 02:47 PM
So just exactly what is it that this VFR1200 will do that other similar bikes won’t do? Seriously. With only 4.9 g. tank and a bike with 1237cc and 600 lbs of weight how far will we get? Where are all the touring amenities? Why did Honda put a pre 2010 Kawasaki Versys headlight on it? Who asked for an automatic transmission?

I thought VFR stood for Vee Four RACING, not Very Frikin Retarded. Doesn’t Honda already have this bike but they call it a ST1300? Why is a 2010 loaded Gold wing $28K? How long will the fire sale that’s on Honda’s web site last? Why doesn’t the VFR1200 have a tire pressure monitoring sensor or does it? Why is the warranty only 12 months, but other sport touring bikes have 3 yrs.? Did I spell “frikin” correctly? Will Honda charge $18K or $21,349.00 for this bike? Is “futuristic styling” a synonym for UGLY? I thought this bike was going to be a 200 mph ‘Busa killer.

Sorry. I was just doing a thought exercise, where as I type every thing that comes to mind first thing after looking at the new Honda. Other thoughts came up too but they really weren’t appropriate. Sometimes I can’t decide if it’s Honda’s bikes, as of late, that I dislike or if it is their overall philosophy towards motorcycling. Looking at the 2010 VFR1200 I will decide both.

Woodman West -Auto trans sales.  October 8, 2009 02:30 PM
Yamaha just dropped the auto trans from thier sport touring line, The FJR1300AE. Apparently they were selling so fast they could not keep up with demand, so they discontinued the bike...Ahem.

Dealers still have 07s in crates.
carl_in_wva -bike  October 8, 2009 11:53 AM
i don't like the hump gas tank
C Dunc -2010 Honda VFR1200F  October 8, 2009 11:40 AM
This really bums me out. I'm a huge VFR fan and miss my '98, track days and rode it from LA to Canada on back roads. This shouldn't be called a VF"R". If people were unhappy with the VTEC jolt leaned over the driveshaft torque getting on or off the gas through a turn will kill the feel. The design is just weird but I'll save my judgement until I see it in person. I agree with VIN, how about a true VFR 1000 with the gear drive back.
thewall -To heavy  October 8, 2009 11:25 AM
591lbs so probably something more like 625lbs ready to ride. It's a cruise ship. Honda already has the ST1300 for a big engine touring boat so why make the VFR the same thing? This is why I like the Ducati ST series better than any other "sport" tourer out there. They kept some resemblence to a sport bike with is weighing in around 525lbs ready to ride (still 25lbs to much IMO). Who cares if your big engine tourer bike makes 130hp when it is like manuvering a pickup truck around? Where is the fun in that? Get an HD for that business. I rode and FJR for three days once and it was like a back and arm workout to counter steer that thing. Seems the true sport tourer will never get made...guess I'm in the minority wanting a lighter weight sport bike comfortable for 500-600mi days but will keep you smiling in the curves.
Jeroen -Touring version  October 8, 2009 11:11 AM
If you go to the download section on this site:
http://www.newvfr.com/en_GB/pages/mainpage
you'll see that you can transform the VFR to a touring bike. But at what cost... ;)

KT -VFR 1200  October 8, 2009 10:55 AM
The concept of the the VFR1200 is good but I just can't get over the looks. It's not the coolest looking but for those who perfer funntion over looks, this might be your toy of choice...
Ian -Disappointed  October 8, 2009 09:46 AM
I've been looking forward to this thing breaking cover for some time. Unfortunately it is one of the ugliest bikes I have ever seen. It looks like its been in a crash.
6SE7EN5 -VFR1200F  October 8, 2009 09:27 AM
I like it. I don't like the muffler at all. As for the weight? I rode my Hayabusa and did just fine on those sporting days in the twisties along with my friends on their GSXRs, R1s, CBRs, and ZXs. In fact, a good rider on a Hayabusa, ZX-14, or the new BMW easily beat out a squid on their race-inspired motorcyces. I'm debating if I should buy one of these or two VF800F since you can now get a brand new 2007 for 7400 dollars that are still sitting in the dealerships. Decisions, decisions....
Matt -Honda VFR  October 8, 2009 08:54 AM
Interesting. Heard a lot about this sucker, but now I see it in the flesh... Not sure what to make of it. You guys need to ride it and tell us how it runs!
Dorion Ozykowski -VFR1200F  October 8, 2009 08:49 AM
I'm curious to find out whether they will have hard bags available,if so,the mounting system is fairly well hidden..
bjrieder -Honda VFR1200F  October 8, 2009 06:59 AM
I have been eagerly awaiting this info before making a decision about buying a 2010 Kawasaki Connie. What I don't see in these pictures are the touring component. Is that pillion seat as uncomfortable as it looks? What about bags? Where is the wind protection for the hands and arms, and what about adjustable windshield? The likely elevated price, or gee-whiz tech innovations are irrelevant if the bike is incapable of fulfilling its stated mission which I thought was to be a premier sports tourer. I hope these pics don't tell the whole story.
VIN -VFR1200 open door to road version of RCV212?  October 8, 2009 06:22 AM
The VFR1200 bike design is lovely and futuristic, riders would be proud of their ride.The V4 will certainly roar pleasingly in this package.Well done Honda!

However, i'm hoping really hard that Honda build a road version of the RC212V or RCV212.A V4 superbike road version slap with the sexy Repsol paint work(if building a v5 will be expensive or not economicable to consumers.We don't really need expensive ohlins/brembo (but can be optional to serious track guys who appraciate best)but Showa/Nissin of affordable package.

Honda Please Please Please build a RC212V/RC211 for our road.With your expertise and wisdon, building such a V4 superbike would be a walk in the park for you guys!

Honda has the capability to build powerful engine but thier philosophy is to provide a superb all rounder,power sensible handling package for the common motal like most of us on our daily roads.

Hope fully VFR1200 will open door to RCV212 version for the road.