Husqvarna Dealers Lose Fight to DMV and CARB

Wednesday, October 07, 2009
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What happens when you get in a weenie-measuring competition with the government? More often than not it probably winds up with you getting the shaft, which is exactly what happened to Paul Lima of GP Motorcycles in San Diego, CA, and Moto Forza of Escondido, CA.

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A misunderstanding in motorcycle registration by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) resulted in the improper registration and illegal licensing of off-road motorcycles. According to Lima, after jumping through every hoop set up by DMV and California Air Resources Board (CARB) he and another SoCal dealer, Moto Forza, were ultimately forced to pay some fees in order to resolve the situation, which Lima claims was entirely their fault to begin with.

CARB turned out a press release stating that the two companies were fined $180,000 for their “illegal sales.” As Lima describes it, the monetary payments came as an agreement, though not particularly ideal on his part, and the press release from CARB was simply to add insult to injury - further propagating the misconception of a rowdy, law-breaking dirt bike community hell-bent on destroying our atmosphere.

At this point it’s a matter of he-said/she-said, but from my own experience with the DMV’s bureaucratic BS, lack of common sense and general unwillingness to act like decent human beings, I tend to find myself rooting for the Husqvarna dealers. Either way you look at it, the situation was a major pain in the butt for everyone involved. Members of the hard-hit motorcycle industry wound up forking major dough, seemingly unfairly, to government organizations that are a constant thorn in the sides of motorcyclists everywhere.

Should we expect anything else?


The following is from CARB with Paul Lima’s side of the story below.

The California Air Resources Board last month fined two San Diego-area motorcycle dealers $180,000 for illegal sales.
In 2006, ARB enforcement officers got an anonymous tip that San Diego-based GP Motorcycles and Moto Forza of Escondido, Calif., were illegally selling Husqvarna off-road motorcycles as on-road models. ARB investigators confirmed the allegations and took action.

"Companies that deliberately flout the law are often assessed higher penalties," said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Playing by the rules from the start is the most cost-effective, smart business plan any company can follow."

GP Motorcycles and Moto Forza sold several dozen off-road motorcycles to customers who thought they were purchasing on-road models. Many of the bikes were outfitted with so-called "street-legal" kits and licensed for on-road use, both illegal in California.

ARB revoked all the on-road licenses and registrations for the illegal bikes sold by GP Motorcycles and Moto Forza. The motorcycle owners were permitted to return their license plates to the Dept. of Motor Vehicles for the appropriate off-road riding stickers and plates.

Off-highway vehicles do not meet federal motor vehicle safety standards -- or ARB's emission standards -- required of on-road motorcycles. There are no street-legal kits or conversions that make an off-road motorcycle legal for on-road use or registration. A motorcycle is either certified by ARB for on-road use or off-road use.

California's air pollution control efforts include regulating emissions from cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles. Smog can damage lungs, cause coughing and chest tightness, and worsen asthma symptoms while also affecting crop yields.

From Paul Lima, GP Motorcycles:

In response to a press release issued by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) as one of the effected parties, I feel compelled to comment to what was an inaccurate and very misleading press release issued by CARB.

In 2004 my dealership GP Motorcycles retailed some model year 2004 and 2005 Husqvarna off-road motorcycles. After the fact I learned that license plates had been issued for these units by the State of California Dept of Motor Vehicles. Questioning this after the first few plates were issued, I contacted DMV employees in charge of registrations. I was assured that the VIN numbers in question qualified for license plates. Subsequent to that conversation I shared this information with our customers - that they may receive a plate when the bike was registered.


As was always my practice, all DMV forms were filled out properly to the best of my knowledge. Never was a customer told that he or she was buying a street legal motorcycle nor that the motorcycle could become street legal.

Shortly thereafter we were visited by a CARB and a DMV investigator. The CARB investigator informed us initially that the problem was between the CARB and the DMV. However, that investigator also implied that it was the personal opinion of that investigator that it was my responsibility to make sure that the DMV gave me the right registrations. From that moment on I took great pains to correct the DMV every time they issued a plate in error for one of our retailed bikes. At all times I complied with all that was required of me, and in fact expended great time, effort and money to contact purchasers and to help retrieve and reregister erroneously registered and plated bikes. The DMV itself issued a letter to all purchasers stating the plates were in fact issued in error. All of the customers we spoke to understood the error was with DMV, and not with GP Motorcycles.

It's important to point out that I was only one of several dealers affected by the DMV error. CARB initially insisted that I should pay $100,000 to make the matter "go away" but I refused, as I felt (and still feel) I had done nothing wrong, and frankly CARB was unable / unwilling to tell me just exactly what it was they felt I had done wrong. After all, every bike I sold was certified for sale by CARB. Convinced that I were in the right I sought legal counsel and began the fight that ultimately I was forced to abandon simply because it became too expensive to continue.

Four years, a pile of money invested, and many headaches later I bought my peace by settling with CARB. In stark contrast to the press release issued by CARB, the truth is I was never "fined by CARB" nor did I ever "modify" the bikes I sold. In short, I admitted no wrongdoing, and settled to avoid penalties on some very technical points that, were they proven, may have cost me my business. I bought my peace, case closed, and I was prepared to move on. Every motorcycle dealer in California was apprised of the settlement (deterrent value) both by CARB per their web site, the DMV's web site and of course the motor cycle dealer's association web site and publication.

Apparently that was not enough for CARB. I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised, since it was clear they were willing to put me out of business in order to bring the DMV to task, but still the press release to the general public was shocking to me. It served no productive purpose that I could discern, since all dealerships were aware of the settlement. I can only conclude that the press release to the general public was a gratuitous attempt to damage my business - apparently as punishment for having taken them on. What is particularly galling is that the wording of the press release misrepresented what had transpired. CARB has tried to imply that I was fined by them (never happened) and that the fine was imposed for "modifying bikes" (again, never happened.) So to be clear, I was not fined - I settled to stop the litigation costs; I admitted no wrongdoing and I never modified a single bike that was the subject of this action.

After several years of very close dealings with CARB I find a less than impressive bunch. Arrogant beyond belief, even to the point of condescension. It seems to me they only peripherally interested in environmental issue, but they are absolutely obsessed with the exercise of their power. They are vindictive and nasty, and I now see they also have little interest in accuracy in their communications.

GP Motorcycles, the dealership I founded, has been in business for 18 years and I believe enjoys a great reputation within the community and with our customers. With the exception of this CARB issue, we have never been taken to court. We have no record of customer complaints. We have always prided ourselves on treating people fairly and honestly and our only mistake was passing along information from the DMV that we had every reason to believe was correct.

Ironically, after all that has transpired, nothing has changed with the DMV and they are still continuing to issue license plates for off-road motorcycles!

Even in these extremely difficult economic times California law makers continue to squeeze money from hard working small business people like myself as well as thousands of others who provide jobs and generate the very tax dollars that keep this state running. I find it sadder still that in addition to that, the State, publishing an inaccurate, misleading and unnecessary press release, apparently now wants to damage our reputation in the eyes of the general public.

Understand that between them, ARB and the DMV have every VIN number of every vehicle that is legally brought into California and should be well aware of their intended use. But as we've now learned these agencies apparently still can't get it right and issue the correct registrations. So they rely upon using our tax dollars to punish the very small business people who, as I have learned so painfully, must pay for their very steep learning curve. It's time the State of California and all its agencies learn to do their job right in the first place, and correct their own errors when they do not.

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Comments
D - Start a "Passing the Hat around for GP Motorcycles"  October 23, 2009 08:56 PM
Perhaps if we got a PayPal till going, (pass the hat around) and get everyone in dual-sport world in the state of CA were to kick in $20 to fund two capable attorneys for GP Motorcycles to go after C.A.R.B for a SLANDER case, it would be worth watching and turning the tables a bit to watch some individuals get fired at C.A.R.B after the suit was settled. Time to put the risk on their jobs for once, making them accountable for their actions, making an example of them and their abuse of power. Just tell me where on Paypal, I'll send in my $20, how about that GP?

REPLY HERE IF YOU WANT TO JOIN IN. Waiting for GP Motorcycles to say the word and tell us where on PayPal. I wanna see something blow up in their face for making false claims. GP?

IM IN!
Sam - Vote them out?  October 14, 2009 04:41 PM
Unfortunately voting the bums out isn't as simple as it sounds in CA. The politicians that appropriately have a Jack-Ass for a symbol have gerry-mandered the State so they never lose their majority. Used to be you could rely on the guys that have an Elephant as a symbol to try and stop over taxation and regulation but not anymore. Even when they sign no no tax pledges. Their word is sadly worthless in CA too.
I don't know hwt will fix it either since there is no one batting for businesses and citizens anymore. Just learn from our misery and resist the same situation from happening to your state. Once entrenched its almost impossible to reverse. We tried with the Recall but the new boss looks a lot like the old boss.
RR - Unbelieveable.....  October 11, 2009 07:41 AM
It's A SHAME,to hear this sort of political Mess. If these "Agency's" would open thier eyes,They would realize,that MOST.motorcycle,[or bicycle] riders,Are More Aware of the impact we have and really DO care about Noise,emmissions,Land closures and/or our on Impact on it. Its TIME to Educate not eliminate. Everyone needs to get involved and stop these kind of attrocities. Vote these people Out of office,Join the AMA,Do something, to make everyone aware of whats happening within our government.Im sick of OUR land and rights being taken away.Be it the Omnibus Act or the current proposal taking away Another 9 million acres of OUR land in Utah set aside for US to enjoy be OUR forfathers... Get involved, Educate yourselves,Speak up,Tell your representative how you feel and vote accordingly.
Fred - Jesse  October 9, 2009 11:08 PM
Jesse you obviously haven’t followed the story, nor do you know any facts pertaining to this case, or you are just plain ignorant and type before you think. Do a little research on this case and you will soon see and feel how dumb your post sounds.
Jesse - the dealer tries to blame the DMV?  October 9, 2009 02:09 PM
What a joke- the dealer sells off road motorcycles as street bikes, and tries to blame the DMV? You can always find one or two DMV employees who can't tell an oxcart from a Corvette. That doesn't justify anyone blatantly trying to break the law by passing off off-road bikes as street bikes. This guy is lucky he still has his dealer's license.
Sam - Don't follow our lead...  October 9, 2009 09:49 AM
The government in California is the quintessence quasi-socialist fiasco. The state employee unions run the state, own the corrupt politicians and both milk the citizens for every dime they can steal. meanwhile the regulators shake down the businesses until they go under or leave for a less punitive state. I misspoke when I said 20% unemployment in some counties. In some farming communities there is now 35-40% unemployment largely due to environmentalist whackos. The actions by CARB against this dealer do not surprise me, this state is insane. Don’t let what is happening to us happen to you. I see all that Obama is trying to do to the nation has already been done to California and look at us. Do you want the nation to be run like CA?
YZF Aaron - CRAP  October 9, 2009 08:47 AM
Californian by birth, Carolinian by choice.
Sam - Don't follow us  October 9, 2009 08:44 AM
The government in California is the quintessence quasi-socialist fiasco. The state employee unions run the state, own the corrupt politicians and both milk the citizens for every dime they can steal. meanwhile the regulators shake down the businesses until they go under or leave for a less punitive state. I misspoke when I said 20% unemployment in some counties. In some farming communities there is now 35-40% unemployment largely due to environmentalist whackos. The actions by CARB against this dealer do not surprise me, this state is insane. Don’t let what is happening to us happen to you. I see all that Obama is trying to do to the nation has already been done to California and look at us. Do you want the nation to be run like CA?
JC - plated dirt bikes  October 8, 2009 07:12 PM
In many states, including TX all you have to do is add lights, DOT tires, pay the money to the state and you have a plated dirt bike. I may be missing something, but know that they rarely even bother to check the tires to see if they meet DOT requirements or not. And people wonder why people are leaving CA and coming to TX (and yes, I realize there are a LOT of reasons, many having nothing to do with CARB or motorcycles)
Carsonsen - DMV  October 8, 2009 06:49 PM
I don’t care what any dealer owner says about a bike being street legal or not because if the DMV is going to give you plates for on road use, then it’s the DMV’s fault, period!

But naturally CARB won’t go after the CA DMV it would be like taking money out of their right pocket to put in their left pocket.

Hey if a car dealer tells me I can get my car registered as a boat and I go to the DMV and they give me boat registration for my car wouldn’t it make sense to correct the problem at the DMV rather than extorting money from the car dealer no matter how dumb the mistake was, even if the DMV TOLD the dealer it was okay.

Thank heavens I don’t live in that west coast toilet!


Oliver - CARB-DMV  October 8, 2009 10:30 AM
First, you CAN put plates on dirtbikes legally in California. It has been done for years and they are called, you guessed it--enduros. Kawasaki KLR650's have been roadgoing licensed dirbikes for years. There are a host of others. KTM also now makes a whole range of legally licensed bikes in California. As does...Husqvarna.

Second, I have known Paul Lima for over ten years. I have purchased bikes from him. I have raced with him. He is as honest as the day is long. We've all come across shady characters, both in the motorcycle industry AND in government. People are basically people. There are good ones and bad ones. But just because you place a government title behind a person does not make them honest.

The problem with situations like these is when a government agency sets its sights on the little guy, it's over. They can afford to drag it out indefinitely. Eventually, they win by sheer attrition. It's sad because Paul is an honest family man who provides jobs for several people, as well as a great service.

Government agencies need to justify their existence and their annual budgets. That is in inherent conflict of interest. The more they investigate, even if frivolous, the more they can hang onto their allocated dollars--and even request more. During an era where California public agencies are all getting cuts, each one is scrambling to preserve its turf--and their jobs. The result is pretty scary. Just hope some other agency that regulates us all, like the California Franchise Tax Board, does not set its sight on an honest citizen. How long could you fight them off without eventually saying, "Uncle." They have limitless funds and attorneys on staff. What do we have? Hope its a rich uncle...
Steph - Gov't  October 8, 2009 09:48 AM
And the government wants to run our health insurance? HA!
socalmoe - BS  October 8, 2009 08:28 AM
No wonder California is in the crapper, we have a bunch of pencil pushers working in gov. just thinking about how to justify their jobs. CARB along w/ other gov. agencies are making it more difficult to do biz. in California; yes we need regulations, but don't over do it!
Mike J - Plates on dirt bikes?  October 8, 2009 05:55 AM
I'm all for the little guy against the crazy-fine-issuing bureaucrats who feed off the teets of the people, but these guys told their customers they could get plates for dirt bikes. Someone once told me civil servants are those not capable of gainful employment in the private sector, but ya can't fight city hall. AND YOU CAN'T PUT PLATES ON DIRT BIKES! But $180K? Yikes!
CLB III - CARB  October 7, 2009 07:10 PM
As goes California so goes the Nation. When will the idiots in this country stop electinG Democrats?!?!?!?!
Sam - Stop organized crime re-elect NO ONE!!!  October 7, 2009 04:36 PM
CARB and most of the California State Government and its institutions feed off businesses and the citizens not unlike a parasite that feeds until it kills the host. CARB are pirates as they get to keep the fines they impose giving them incentive to fine more and more. Over regulation and the anti-business anti-citizen policies from the idiots in Sacramento is killing our state. No wonder we have 20% unemployment in some counties. Disgusting.
Trevor - CARB  October 7, 2009 04:17 PM
GP Motorcycles now has an excellent case against CARB for slander.
doug - dmv  October 7, 2009 02:55 PM
i purchased a brand new yamaha fz6 sport bike and california dmv sent me an off highway green sticker and ohv registration. it was a mess getting that fixed!!
Richard Witt - CARB....  October 7, 2009 02:18 PM
C arefully A nnihilitaing R esponsible B ehavior

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