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2010 Superbike Smackdown VIII Track FMM

Friday, May 7, 2010

For My Money:

2010 BMW S1000RR Track Smackdown
"Look out Japanese and Italian brands, BMW is now in the game!” - Sorensen.

Chuck Sorensen – BMW – “This would be a tough pick for somebody wanting to go club racing just because nobody else is racing an S1000RR at that level yet. I can see a dealership that is into racing having a program with one where you would have some technical assistance. But it’s truly amazing how good this bike is on their first try. Look out Japanese and Italian brands, BMW is now in the game!”

Corey Neuer – Honda – “For me it was simple: The Honda did everything I needed it to, allowing me to ride the track and push myself and not have to worry about anything else. I got nothing but confidence from the Honda; it has a very light, nimble and aggressive feel. I was able to pick up the pace and not once did I feel the bike was riding me. Anywhere I wanted to go on the track I could hit my lines and push hard. I was very impressed with how the bike would hold its line, especially on the exits of corners; I had so much trust in the way the power and chassis worked that
2010 Honda CBR1000RR Track Smackdown
Neuer (above on the Honda) was quickest and most comfortable on the CBR.
I could get huge controllable drives on exits. Bottom line, I could ride this bike fast and it didn’t make me work as hard as the other bikes.”

Michael Earnest – BMW – “I’m all about performance when it comes to riding on a racetrack. A sport bike is just a tool and I’m not easily swayed by high dollar price tags or excess ‘bling’. We are asked to ride and evaluate these Superbikes the way the OEM’s deliver them. With a few suspension changes to several bikes my decision might be different.

“That said, if I were to pick a bike to go throw down my fastest laps on this day, I would have a hard time choosing between the Honda and Suzuki. They definitely showed up with game faces on, well prepared with the bikes dialed in. So what bike do I want to spend my hard-earned money on? I think it would be the BMW. With an engine that strong, superior electronics package and extremely adjustable chassis for just a few bucks more, it’s like I’m getting the ‘bling’ for free.”
2010 Honda CBR1000RR Track Smackdown
Hensley joined Neuer in picking the Honda, though it wasn't an easy decision for him.

John Hensley – Honda – “Now, this is where I’m stuck. Because I don’t know which bike I would buy between the BMW S1000RR and the CBR1000RR. Sure, on paper, the BMW wins hands down in the world of extras. Extra electronics. Extra horsepower. Extra everything.

“But, the CBR has something extra too. And, that’s an extra long history of being a supremely badass, well-balanced motorcycle on the track. And, that shows as soon as you hang off the inside of the thing. It’s just so good. Yes, it annoys the piss out of me that they refuse to put a gear indicator on the dash. But, while the BMW has all of those things, and more, which make it truly unlike any motorcycle I’ve ever seen available for that kind of price, I can’t help but wonder if I wouldn’t just go ahead and buy a CBR1000, fit it with those things myself, take a little pride in the fact that I did, and maybe find myself a little more willing to hang it out when I’m at the track. Because, then it’s truly your motorcycle.

“The BMW’s ready-made, and ready to go, but it feels expensive. The CBR’s the kind of motorcycle you build to your taste and ride like there’s no tomorrow. What can I say? Sometimes, I like to do my own cooking. Sometimes I like to ride my own bike. The one I had a hand in putting together. And, that’s why for my money... I think I would honestly buy the CBR1000RR. Though, the thoughts of how good the BMW is would keep me in awe a little every time I crossed paths with one at the track.”
2010 BMW S1000RR Track Smackdown
Waheed lofts the BMW into a horn mono. Oh, and it was his top pick.

Adam Waheed – BMW – “Whether I planned on road racing or just hitting some trackdays for thrills on the weekend I would do it with BMW’s S1000RR. Although I wasn’t the most comfortable on it at Thunderhill, given some more set-up time I think this bike has the ability to give you the highest sheer performance for the lowest cost.

“The engine itself is in a class of its own. Bottom end and mid-range is nothing special, but once it revs near redline the bike just takes off like you hit the nitrous button. It pulls with such voracity that every other manufacturers’ Superbike now feels slow. I know it sounds crazy but it’s the truth. Plus the high-rpm shriek of the engine makes you feel like you’re at the controls of an MotoGP prototype—it sounds that cool—which is amazing considering the audible splendor of the Aprilia’s V-Four and Ducati’s 1198 race replica.

“Not only does the BMW feel the fastest it has the best electronics package. For $1380 on top of its $13,800 base price you can get authentic multi-mode traction control and ABS that actually works and helps you to ride faster, safer and with more confidence. Then there is the $450 electronic quick shifter that helps you experience the BMW’s hellacious top end even quicker.”
2010 BMW S1000RR Track Smackdown
Garcia: Hard decision but in the end the Beemer won him over.

Frankie Garcia – BMW – “It's a hard decision when it comes down to the one bike that I would choose for my own personal track use. Each of the bikes has its own personality and high points. It came down to two bikes for me. Either the Honda or the BMW, but after thinking it over I think I would have to go with the Beemer because of its electronics package. Also, its four different modes for different conditions was a very impressive feature. Being a racer, this bike would be fairly simple to build into a winning machine. Throw some bodywork on, some steel braided brake lines, some slicks, a set of adjustable rearsets and an exhaust. And that's all I would need to have a basic club racer bike.

“It eliminates the need to get a quick-shifter, power commander, and a few other essentials when it comes to building a race bike. I would really like to take the BMW, throw on the bare minimum of parts and race the stock bike in AFM's Formula Pacific class or WERA's Open Superbike class and see exactly how competitive the bike is right off the showroom floor.”

Ken Hutchinson – BMW – “It comes down to the two new bikes this year. The Aprilia is awesome and I already picked it over two built bikes in our Modified Superbike Comparison but the fact is that BMW is absolutely sick. It fits me pretty good but not as good as the compact RSV, so what it really comes down to is the fact that it’s all about the thrill of the
2010 BMW S1000RR Track Smackdown
Hutch's pick... Yep, the BMW again!
ride when it comes to these open-class superbikes. And the BMW is the most exciting bike I have ridden in quite some time. It has more gizmos than you really need - but that makes it fun to ride. Traction control is sweet - Plus, every time I pulled the trigger on this bike it accelerated with ferocity that made me laugh like a little kid on a carnival ride. I know the faster riders had some issues with the front end it but at my pace it was fine. I’d take the new bike this time around because I like the way it looks, I like the funky headlights, the shark fins on the sides. It’s simply a killer motorcycle and all I can think of is how much fun it is to ride.

Steve Atlas – BMW – “Okay, I’ve got to hop on the bandwagon with this one and go all BMW S1000RR. Don’t get me wrong, all of the bikes here are amazing in some way shape or form. The Aprilia’s chassis is as solid as a rock, the Yamaha sounds amazing, KTM’s looks could kill, the Kawasaki has motor for days, good luck trying to find anything much wrong with the Suzuki, who doesn’t love a Ducati on Ohlins suspension and the Honda is an all-around awesome machine. But then there’s the Beemer. With 20 horsepower more than the next closest bike and electronics that make it controllable for nearly all skill level riders, this bike has really and truly set a new benchmark for the superbike class. It may need a bit of suspension work, but in the grand scheme of things that merely takes a couple trackdays and a flathead screwdriver. Throw in the mix that it's the best value for the money of any bike in class and, well... All hail the new King.”

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svrider   September 13, 2011 03:41 PM
Ultimately, unless you race AND/OR are really good, these tests are just fun to read. On the street, very little translates. Chances are, YOU can't push any of these bikes enough to notice any of the weaknesses these pros talk about on the track. A REAL test would put the same Tires on all bikes, adjust the suspension to match each riders style, and then start the test. That would be reality as these KEY changes are done before ANYONE enters a track! Buy a bike based on what think looks best, the brand you like, or even the color you like, and can afford. Buying based on this test will disappoint next year when the competition ups the ante.
Topgearamerica -Unchanged bikes got worse?  January 5, 2011 12:24 AM
I love the shootout but I would like to know how in 2009 the Kawi and Zuk both got 10 for race bike of choice and the Honda got an 8 but then this year all three bikes unchanged and the Kawi was a 5, Zuk a 7, Honda 8? If your rating them compared to the other bikes maybe changing one or two but how did an unchanged Honda surpass two bikes that are also unchanged? I've been looking at all three for my next race bike but things that a year ago the Kawi was praised for it is holding it back now... Just confusing
tc -Relativity and platforms  June 8, 2010 10:05 PM
Articles are fun to read and everyone has gotten sucked in, and duped at some point in their early years of reading/riding. Simple intake/exhaust mods and fueling make the power production curves and weights reported a moot point (ie. you can drop 20+lbs on the suzuki with exhaust, and gain 9+ hp on the honda with electronics...etc). More importantly, suspension setup/mods and geometry adjustment can completely change the way any bike feels or behaves. Brakes can be changed, pads can be changed, lines can be strengthened. Slipper clutches can be reworked/added/removed. The point is that these are all pretty good platforms for doing what ever it is that you want to do. Just figure out how much you have to spend, and what you want the bike to do. Ask SEVERAL local racers what bikes are winning and why, what bikes are breaking and why, what bikes are costing and why....and how expensive and difficult it is to repair/replace parts prone to damage on that model. If there were a perfect bike (or anything)almost everyone would be riding it. Power corrupts....call me a politician:) cause I do like the Beemers peak output. The Honda handles great....but the things I can do to a low mileage,06 GSXR 1000 with the $$$ I save. Lets see $5500 for the bike, Penske shock, fork re-valve, Full intake/ exhaust/ fuel management treatment, new binders and lines, misc diet items. Don't forget several track days to dial in the set up, and lots of tires:) Near the front of the pack and I'm still saving $$$.
Giovanni -Ducati  June 4, 2010 06:06 AM
with its light weight, Ohlins suspensions and far more low-end torque than the other bikes I will take the Ducati. To me it looks the most fun!
Gunther -make up your own mind  May 26, 2010 03:45 AM
I don't neccesarily agree with the rankings in this test, especially the way how points are rewarded make a very unbalanced equation. I mean, none of these bikes score a 2 out of 10 on any item, that's just silly. Seen some other similar shoot outs with almost reverse outcomes, except that the beemer is always on top. Why is it that some bikes are set up perfectly and other are not? lack of time?

However, just read the reviews and the riders comments and filter out the criteria you like. The rankings at the end are just a numbers game. Good reading!
Yo! Gibster -Gixxer owner  May 15, 2010 11:09 PM
Please look at the 2009 smackdown conducted at T'Hill. You will all notice that the CBR and GSXR are still by far for your money can buy equal to and in some respects BETTER than the S1000RR.

Please GET REAL with these smackdowns and show the comparisons 2009 and 2010 relatively PLEASE!!!!!

Nick -RESPONSE TO JAMIE RE: APRILIA MAP  May 15, 2010 04:41 AM
Sorry mate but I can only imagine that was Dr. Hoffman rather than Alex Hoffman. I don't know a single person that I ride and track with or a single person on two Aprilia forums that ride/race track who use anything but T mode. In fact, the vast majority of riders don't even have the option of changing modes having changed the ECU with the purchase of an open pipe or getting the original ECU re-mapped with the purchase of an Aprilia/Akra pipe. Once this is done, there is only one map - Race - which in terms of throttle response is the same as Track. I don't know what profile the Dunlop control tyres where but I can say that they don't level the playing field unless they are the same spec as the OEM tyres e.g. the BMW is on 180s, the R1 and RSV4 on 190/55 and the Honda on 190/50. Going to one size for all actually only benefits the bike that came with those spec tyres in the first place, regardless of the make of rubber. The RSV4 needs a higher profile tyre. Another point to consider is the gearing. Since it's a gas guzzling V4, the Aprilia has been geared long to get by CO2 controls. Dropping a tooth up front fixes this and also increases the wheelbase to help stability - the backing in under braking mentioned in the review is one of the few correct observations. Personally I'm happy with the long gearing, it just means getting used to keeping it in the right rev range which isn't difficult thanks to much less engine braking compared to the Blade and actually believe it or not, less snatchy throttle response in the top third of the tachometer. If I was mostly streeting the bike then yes, a simple front sprocket change would be a good thing.
Nick -AN IMPORTANT POINT ON PRICE  May 15, 2010 04:26 AM
The cost of a bike is not what you pay for it folks but the difference between what you sell/trade it for and what you pay plus servicing, durables and insurance. Don't get fooled into thinking that the cheapest bike is the one with the lowest sticker price.
Nick -WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH  May 15, 2010 04:13 AM
I owned the 08 Blade since new for two years. a couple of months ago I went on the lookout for a new bike that included riding every one except the ZX10. I also tracked mates bikes - BMW and R1. I don't make any money from picking a bike (with respect to ad revenue) so guess what my choice was - the RSV4 Factory. I honestly cannot believe you think the Honda is even in the same league - seriously guys, there are people who believe these reviews. The RSV4 feels exactly like it was designed to be - a V4 litre engine in a 250GP chassis. It's another world in terms of handling and grin factor. The CBR is a good first litre bike - nice and safe and comfy on the road but get real, the RSV4 is a super bike. After test riding the RSV4 for 30 minutes, I had a 60mph ride back home on some great roads but might as well have been on a tourer - I had NO inkling to ride it like a sports bike because quite frankly, next to the RSV4 it just isn't. Folks, until I swore to myself I would ride every single litre bike before making a decision, I used to believe reviews like this. Do yourselves a real favour and test ride before you buy. These tests are no more than a bunch of journos having fun and selling ad space.
flattopwill -edit  May 12, 2010 03:37 PM
Awesome article. Very interesting but I think you should go back and proofread it. For example, on the Honda page it says it is 3 TENTHS slower than the BMW in the 1/4 mile but then on the BMW page it says 3 THOUSANDTHS. That's a big difference. Also, The Honda is the lightest bike in the pack but it gets a 6 in "weight w/fuel"?? For me, the Honda is the way to go. Buy a new CBR for what they are going for these days (much less than MSRP), add in the electronics and boom you have a much better performing motorcycle (its already faster around the track) for a lower price than the BMW. AND you dont have to have fish gills...
troy lambert -sweet test!  May 12, 2010 01:55 PM
Looks to me that the 1000s are very close now days! ummm duc is wayyy overpriced! japaneese bikes need to split head gaskets for .5-1.0 more compression and web cams little better portwork to close the gap to the beemer and they will be fine, kinda bothers me that the ratings numbers dont really reflect the subjective ratings, how does a second place subjective rating get a 6 or 7? hmmmmm weird, note to self go get a big 4 jap 4cyl from craigslist, pipe, pc3 or bazazz, thin head gasket 500.00-1500.00 head porting maybe a little spray, and airshifter, and bye bye beemer! Kudos to BMW for raising the bar, now watchout world, cant wait to see the japan redesigns!!! note to japan, buy the beemer and reverse engineer it!!!! love the test!
SamXRL -Posers?  May 11, 2010 06:16 PM
I always wonder why so much time is spent reviewing these bikes at the track and so little on the street. Here in Colorado ,and other no-helmet law states, a big percentage of riders would rather be POSERS instead of skilled riders. Vanity beats safety and skill everytime? Rating bikes solely on their track performace only counts for a few (actually skilled enough to ride the bikes to their performance level)riders while most will never come even close to the max of what these bikes can do. With that in mind, 13-G's for new or 1/3 that on Craigslist? Hmmm......
Superlight -Shootout  May 11, 2010 12:06 PM
Every one of these bikes has more performance capability than 99% of the riding public, so things like lap times are somewhat irrelevant. And arguing prices is also silly considering that 1), none of us need to spend over $10,000 on any motorcycle and 2), if you can afford the roughly $13,000 Japanese bikes you can probably ante up a bit more for the European bikes as well. I choose a bike not based on what the journalists say, but what meets my personal needs, which include as many subjective criteria (styling, exhaust sound, exclusivity) as objective measures (speed, handling, braking). Right now I'd vote for the Aprilia Factory.
Vince XB -Interesting  May 11, 2010 10:41 AM
I thought the Aprilia would do a little better. I bet Max Biaggi probably thought so two (with his sweep in Monza). Still, Cycle World came to the same decision as well; BMW ist der Zeitgeist, the spirit of superbike. There needs to be a shuffling of the deck every so often, and BMW just dealt a hand of 52 pick-up to everyone.
Vince XB -Interesting  May 11, 2010 10:40 AM
I thought the Aprilia would do a little better. I bet Max Biaggi probably thought so two (with his sweep in Monza). Still, Cycle World came to the same decision as well; BMW ist der Zeitgeist, the spirit of superbike. There needs to be a shuffling of the deck every so often, and BMW just dealt a hand of 52 pick-up to everyone.
DJ -Honda vs BMW  May 11, 2010 09:18 AM
I bought my 2008 Honda CBR1000RR brand new in September 2009 for $8000. Hard to believe that the BMW is worth the extra $6000? Especially since my cbr will never see the track - so what's above the 10000 rpm is meaningless to me. And the CBR stomps everything below 10000 rpm.

One question: did the testers use BMW's quick shifter when running the quarter mile?
Know it all -Listen up manufacturers  May 11, 2010 05:27 AM
Changes for future models:

Yami: lose weight, gain some power, lose the goofy headlights
Honda: gain some top end (w/o losing the midrange), work on aesthetics
Kawi: work on aesthetics, study honda's chasis
Suzuki: lose the dual exhausts and some weight
KTM: study Ducati better
Ducati: study BMW's pricing
J Mizzle -Good article  May 11, 2010 05:20 AM
It was a good article, can't wait for the street battle. As others have said, I wish the Aprilia Factory had been used for this comparison...oh well. Just a note on prices, you can get a Honda or Kawi for less than MSRP; but I can guarantee that you won't find a BMW for less than MSRP. Just something else to think about.
the Honda rider -horse power  May 11, 2010 04:39 AM
The best thing i can say for hp is if you got any of these bikes get them dyno yourself as for the past three 3 the cbr hp went up and went down last year it was 149 now this year 153. A bike can only make so much HP so it should stay the same for every year
James I. -Hey Neil  May 10, 2010 12:59 PM
Take a look at the charts, the Honda won the subjective portion of the test 84-83 over the BMW. The BMW won the performance-based objective portion of the test even with its third place points for Superpole lap time. The objective portion of the test obviously takes a lot more into account than just a lap time including top speed, braking distance, corner speed, etc. If you want to buy a bike simply based on the fastest lap time in this test then that's easy, just go buy the Honda. But stating that their test is flawed because they based objective criteria on more than just a lap time makes no sense, especially when the bike you argue should win on objective criteria would actually do better on just a subjective basis.
John from Brooklyn -Track Test -- Best Time wins!  May 10, 2010 12:59 PM
I dont understand how in a track test the bike that put down the fastest time doesnt win?

John from Brooklyn -Weight of the Honda  May 10, 2010 12:55 PM
According to the site Honda claims the 1000RR is 439 (wet weight) and it has been the same weight for the past 3 years (08,09 and 10).

Why is it listed here at 451? Where did the additional 12 pounds come from?

Neil -Bollox!  May 10, 2010 01:58 AM
So the test is clearly not entirely about bikes?

How can it be that the objectively quickest bike around the track (which is what the objective data clearly intends to segregate into component aspects) is not the winner on the day?

No boys (and ladies, if appropriate) - the BMW does not win. The Honda wins. And you fail your supposedly objective test by putting an objective slant on it (just like all those other fellows who raved about the Aprillia).

x2468 -combined dyno map??  May 9, 2010 12:54 PM
You guys happen to have one dyno graph with all the dynos overlapped on one for comparison??? If you do sorry i can't seem to find it.
Plot Shots -To Each His Own  May 8, 2010 10:22 PM
No matter what, you need to buy the bike that best suits you. Don't listen to all of the hype. Just test-ride and then make a decision for yourself. I did just that and after a few different test rides in varying conditions, the all around-bike for me was the Beemer. Easy-going around town, comfortable, and when you want to just go nuts getting on the freeway, twisting through the hills, or putting down some hot laps, this one just "fits" for me. And just because a bike is "ready to go" out of the box doesn't mean that it's not perfect in nearly every way, but the S1000RR is just that. Perfect. After nearly 1,400 miles on it in a month, I am TOTALLY in love with this phenomenon of a vehicle. There is not more fun form of transportation on planet Earth than on the "S". Period. CHEERS!
Mike -Street Shootout 2010  May 8, 2010 06:58 PM
Are you guys going to compare these bikes for the street also?
Jamie -Aprilia map ?  May 8, 2010 02:01 PM
What map were you using on the Aprilia ? Track or sport ? The article's description of the abrupt throttle, sounds like it was on track mode. Which would make sense, since it was a track test, but Aprilia's development rider Alex Hoffman, said even he's faster on sport mode. Also why does the article only quote the BMW's base price, when from the article description, you tested the ABS DTC equpped model ? Did it have a quickshifter too ? If KTM and Ducati entered their bling models, I don't see why the shootout didn't include the RSV4 Factory ?
Choco -Sport Tourer  May 8, 2010 10:24 AM
Good report, suprised the Aprilia finished last. It seems the BMW folks scrapped their unique German designs, bought some Japanese bikes, reverse engineered them and upped the ante to make a German Japanese Bike. Now it's Honda's and the rest of the Japanese bike manufacturers turn to respond. Honda can up the HP and add some electronics and their back on top, or they might come out with a V-4.

Who knows what next year will bring, but any of these bikes are much more capable than most sport bike riders are.

Lucky -Margins and Character  May 8, 2010 08:28 AM
I am lucky enough to have owned all of these bikes except the Suzuki and BMW. Readers should remember that we are talking about small percentages of performance. Magazine testers try to be objective. They don't spent a whole lot of time descibing the character of a motorcycle:

1. ZX-10R - hard to set up. spent a ton on suspension and totalled it at the track. Glad its over with.
2. CBR1000RR - Repsol version in my garage. Great all around - does everything. If only one bike - the one.
3. RC8R - had the RC8 loaded up with extras. Good bike. Engine was very linear, but boring.
4. RSV4 Factory - has track skins and race pipe. Love it at track. Tiny and fast. Crazy motor and sound. Did I say tiny?
5. R1 - in track skins with new suspension and race pipes. Absolutely love it. It is big, but it is sooo much fun to ride. Your hand is connected to the rear wheel. Even in this article, the lap times were better than the commentary.
6. Ducati 1198S Corse - got it for the RC8. Best Ducati I ever had. Feels awesome around the track and is gorgeous. They are special.
7. BMW S1000RR - read so much about them I ordered one. I really need to stop reading motorcycle mags!

They are all great bikes with unique characteristics. I ride at the track 20 times a year in the fast group. Have never raced and never will. All of them are far more capable than I am. Buy the one that turns you on.
Bruce -Beemer brake lines  May 8, 2010 07:01 AM
The BMW already has steel braided brake lines. One of the reviewers said he would put them on for a track bike but there is no need. All BMW bikes, even the least expensive, have had steel braided brake lines for probably the last 10 years.
commander bond -cbr1000rr  May 8, 2010 03:50 AM
I'd like to see the honda with traction control, quickshifter, gear shift indicator and some more ponies, (ie. bazzaz fuel injection module)up against the bmw, it's already quicker round that track in stock mode but with those improvements would really be on par with the s1000rr technology & gadget wise, which I believe wins over a lot of people in the end.
Jaybond -The Big J 4 will respond  May 7, 2010 10:39 PM
No doubt definitely the Big J 4 will respond to the current hype, starting with the new Kawasaki ZX-10R next year.Just wait and see...
zedX -Love the Shootout  May 7, 2010 07:40 PM
I wish my bike the ZX-10R won. I've seen it win plenty of other "journalistic" reviews. I'm gonna get the 2011 when it comes out, but my 2010 will work, just like my 08 did and my 04. I like the green bikes.

I hope BMW is setting the example for sportbike futures. I want everything the BMW is without having to look like the pretentious idiot who just rode in on a BMW.
Rydon -BMW Honda  May 7, 2010 06:26 PM
It’s a good thing Honda did well in another shoot out with an old design because they need all the help they can get to get rid of the non-current 2008, 2009 models on the sales floor. I also agree with TG. I have read a different HP number from numerous mags and web sites for the BMW ranging from 167-182+ but ALL the other bikes are usually within the +/- margin you will find from going from bike to bike and dyno to dyno. I guess this fact may shed some light on why the BMW got a slower lap time.

The only HP numbers you can really trust are the ones measured by yourself or the numbers given out after the model is a year or two old because the media hype rolls back a little. I don’t fault the media or BMW because the Japanese OEM’s have done it for years; it helps sell bikes and mags.

By the end of this summer the BMW will be measuring 199 hp and two years from now it will be 161, just like the first generation R1 crazy HP numbers in the spring of 1998 and two years later 10-12 hp less.

I also wonder where Honda goes from here. They have a bike that is presumably so awesome and gets all the accolades from the media but Honda can’t give the CBR1000R away.
shane4000 -cbr1000rr  May 7, 2010 06:09 PM
The cbr1000rr rocks as it may not have al that stuff the bmw has but it is still a bad ass bike. I own a 2008 cbr1000rr and that is by far the easyest bike for me to get on and go fast. I done some work to my bike got the fmf pipe along with the z-bomb that bazaza makes and a K&N for it and the bike is fast

TG -Forks  May 7, 2010 05:56 PM
"The Kawasaki has the second best fork of the group (second only to the Ducati's Ohlins)"

Odd, it get a 7 vs. the Honda's 10, Ducati's 8, and ties the GSXR.

Overall, great review as usual, some off the wall stuff, but I saw the green machine with the highest acceleration and braking, neutered by poor gearing selection. Oh well, that's why all the tests are different.

For what it's worth, I've seen several tests where the beemer wasn't the fastest lap, but still won the shootout - can't say they're wrong, but seems to be a common trend. I'm also leery of the hp numbers we keep seeing. On a local dyno a S1000RR ran 169hp (very strong) but ten minutes later a rock stock 2007 ZX10R ran 158hp. It's still 11hp, but not 20.
BMW -Nice article  May 7, 2010 05:46 PM
I'm just happy BMW makes a real superbike, but a little disappointed that Aprilia didn't come with their RSV4 Factory. Ducati brought their 1198S. Aprilia brought the neutered version of the RSV4 and finished 8th...how does that help them sell bikes? For the record...the question was raised: How can BMW bring all this tech at such a low price? I think they are purposely taking a loss on each bike in order to gain market share. The same way Lexus and Infinity were accused of underselling their cars when they first came out.
Steve Atlas -RE: fastrob691 - Track Test?  May 7, 2010 05:21 PM
To answer your question, there's SO much more that goes into deciding the best track bike than outright lap times. Not to mention that with the proper set-up we don't doubt the BMW would have been equally, if not faster than the Honda, though it's not always lap times that buyers care about. Ease of which one can achieve their desired goals, features, etc. The majority of track riders are trackday guys, most of which that are there to have fun, not set the fastest time and 'win practice.' As such, we put these bikes to the utmost testing across the board and the best overall package wins. And that is, without question, the BMW.
Yanko -Not a believer  May 7, 2010 05:00 PM
Another baloney shootout??The KTM 450 was hailed by your riders as the bike of the year for MX bikes.We all know how that turned out,KTM was a SX joke.
johnnka -lap times  May 7, 2010 04:25 PM
fastrob691, check out the other reviews for the s1000rr, it is faster around every track compared to the CBR. It is all about the suspension settings! If the bike is set properly for the track, it will be faster than the cbr, u can be sure! ;)
fastrob691 -Track Test?  May 7, 2010 03:48 PM
If this was a track only test then lap time should be the deciding factor. Im impressed by the amount of tech BMW can bring for the money, but the Honda still went faster on the track in as delivered form, yet it loses to the BMW on the TRACK TEST. Seems pretty biased.
Crash Davis -R1  May 7, 2010 01:44 PM
Damn, the R1 may not be one of the top picks, but I'll be damned if it isn't sexier than Brian Chamberlain in an translucent leotard. MMMMmm, mmmm, tasty.
Honduh -Z-bomb  May 7, 2010 01:26 PM
I'm still amazed (by the bike) and the fact that the Honduh is still showing so well three years later. If Ducati can bring a ringer and the BMW can bring the electronics, why can't the Honduh bring a Z bomb or IRC? LOL
Shane -CBR  May 7, 2010 11:43 AM
Nice shootout! The CBR is near the bottom in horsepower but fastest lap by a half second? Gotta love seamless integration of all the elements of a motorcycle! With these results, you won't see me trading mine in for the winking wonderbike.
Joe -Honda Electronics  May 7, 2010 09:17 AM
Just wait until Honda jumps on the electronic bandwagon or any of the other Japanese brands for that matter. Then will see where the BMW stacks up.
Dan the Canadian -Aprilia or Honda  May 7, 2010 09:09 AM
GREAT ARTICLE...........

Well I would love to have the look, and V-4 of the Aprilia, but the caracteristic of the Honda........

But at the end, I will choose the CBR, save the money, get the BAZZAZ Traction Control and buy tire for the track............