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2010 Superbike Smackdown VII Street FMM

Monday, May 17, 2010
2010 Superbike Smackdown VII Street Conclusion
For My Money:

Adam would buy the R1 because “it does good wheelies."

Adam WaheedYamaha YZF-R1:
All of these bikes shred and I’d be happy with any of them. But if I had to fork out my cash I would buy the R1. Sure it’s not the fastest, it doesn’t handle the best and it gets pretty bad gas mileage. But I don’t care because it sounds so awesome—especially with a set of GYTR pipes. I also really dig the way it looks and when you pull up to a stop sign people think you’re on some kind of space ship. People also always mistake a white R1 for a cop bike so they get out of your way as if you were Moses crossing the Red Sea. The R1 is like an all-access pass to do whatever you want on the road.


Ray Gauger Suzuki GSX-R1000:
Considering I don’t have a whole lot of experience riding 1000s I’d buy the Suzuki. Not only is it the least expensive, it’s easy to ride and comfortable. I also really dig the S-DMS A-B-C engine power mode feature as it allows me to ride the bike without having to loop out backwards when I’m practicing my Waheed-style wheelies.
 
Francesco QuinnAprilia RSV4R:
The Aprilias  15 999 MSRP is plenty reasonable for the amount of performance and exclusivity you get.
The Aprilia RSV4R: Made by Italians, for Italians.
Keep in mind the word ‘superbike,' because that's what we're talking about here. The modern-day lone horseman on his steed of steel, his weapon of choice. The defining platform of what kind of man you are. The fastest and most powerful. "Take your pick sire" says my squire to a stable of 150-plus horses per bike!
 
So after riding them all on the street, it's obviously not about the numbers or the lap times, it's about seat-of-the-pants and as much as I am an every-day-of-the-week motorcyclist, I'm not predictable. I like to spend, but not through the nose. I'm old school, but not slow and I like a good, strong Twin, but need the reliability of a Four. I must reach my destination and when I've found it, I have to feel proud of my ride.

The Japanese Four are all good, as usual. The Kawi was uncomfortable. All are powerful, with the Suzuki giving me the most pleasurable, secure ride. The Yamaha had a great sound and...okay, that's it. The Honda was great at everything. I guess, since I don't have anything to complain about, yet nothing to be excited about either. Same with the BMW and all its gadgetry. Would it be as good if I didn't push its limits? Would I even notice if I didn't try to engage the electronics? Can anybody stop and notice how much rattling plastics are on this thing?! Everyone is too busy pushing buttons, I guess.
The RSV4R is one stunning motorcycle.
Tim says he'd pay $15,999 to listen to the hum of the Aprilia's V-Four.

The Ducati is a WOW! A gold watch for your Sunday brunch at the club. Too much for the street and never enough for the guys who can really afford it. The KTM is plain ugly. Out of all the superbikes I would pick the Aprilia. It does everything well. It's cool without gadgetry. It's new and it's Italian.

Tim CollinsAprilia RSV4R:
What’s not to love about the Aprilia RSV4R? The moment you throw a leg over the bike you feel as if you’ve just strapped into the cockpit of a stealth fighter. Ergonomically the bike feels amazing. The bars are at the perfect angle to give you that sense of ultimate control over the motorcycle, without sacrificing a surprisingly comfortable ride. Then, as you turn on the key and start the ignition, you’ll fall in love all over again. The rumble of the V-Four is a sound unlike any other. The hum of 160 horses begs to be ridden like a true racebike. Yet, with three modes to choose from, you can customize that power for any type of adventure. With sleek styling, amazing control and seemingly endless power, the RSV4 takes the gold.


Steve Atlas
BMW S1000RR:
With 183-horsepower available its hard not to have fun at the controls of the BMW S1000RR.
Cranked over on the of the tire is right where the BMW S1000RR likes to be.
Wind protection aboard the BMW S1000RR feels like its a cross between the Honda and Suzuki.
Atlas, Hensley and Ali would buy the BMW if they were in the market for a brand-new 1000cc sportbike.

For me it all comes down to what performs the best for the least amount of cash-money. And that would be the BMW. It’s a rocket, it handles well, it’s comfortable and you could race it straight out of the crate. Sure it doesn’t look that good but hey when you’re flying down the road with one wheel in the sky who cares what you look like? M Power for life!

John HensleyBMW S1000RR:
Here’s the thing, it’s damn hard to beat the CBR1000RR on any level. It’s just that good of a motorcycle. That being said, I have to say that when it comes to the street, if I were going to plunk down the cash, I think I’d go for the bells and whistles of the BMW S1000RR. Every modification that I’d make to the CBR for the track, I don’t think I would even bother with on the street. I mean, why? Last time I checked any interested lady at a stop light didn’t really care what kind of slipper clutch I was running. Anyway, I digress. The fact is that I could go out and buy a motorcycle already loaded with every extra someone might want on the street, a beautiful being that is more technologically advanced than anything I’ve seen available to the consumer looking to get on board a 1000. And, for the street, and not to mention for around $15,000, that’s an unbeatable equation. I’m glad BMW put this motorcycle out, because my suspicion is that it will provoke a noticeable response from every other manufacturer out there. I’m looking forward to it.
 
Bobby AliBMW S1000RR:
After riding all the bikes and ranking my preferences the winner is the BMW. This bike was not my preference in the styling department as it has a styling that is love it or hate it, and I did not love it. I did not have high expectations for this bike either; it was actually lower than the other bikes I was testing being this is a somewhat new venture for BMW. But I was amazed at how the BMW rode on all road types, the engine, brakes, and suspension were all amazing! I have never ridden a bike that ensured and encouraged such confidence and sheer enjoyment. Simply stated I could always feel myself smiling from ear-to-ear as I rode this bike. So who cares if the styling is not as cool as the KTM, Aprilia, or Ducati? The BMW is such an amazing bike to ride that this is what I would someday hope to have in my stable of bikes!



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Mr. Smith -Officer  July 26, 2010 05:59 PM
I have to confess I made a mistake with my last post. Today I tried to go back and find that post, but could not. I tried finding it under Waheed's articles written, even the search engine. Thus, I figured someone took it off the server. My bad, I do confess. Because I was able to find it under "all motorcycle blogs" on the home page. Thus, I jumped the gun. My bad, and I will admit it. However, my question and speculation is still legit. Does a worker with Moto Usa receive money and or products for favorable reports? Even though I jumped the gun, though doing the honorable thing admitting my mistake, I feel this is a more then fair question to ask and get a truthful answer on. I hope I am wrong, but if I am right then I will not ever trust Moto Usa staff's views.
Mr. Smith -Officer  July 26, 2010 05:28 PM
Well, not even 24 hours passes and my suspicions about Yamaha paying Waheed to pump up the Yam R1 have proved totally true. Moto USA had a new article written by Waheed where he mentions he got delivery of an R1 from Yamaha, then goes on to boast very much about it. I thought this odd because the R1 was last in 2009 street shootout, and no one elts out there in the world press would of said that is what they would personally buy. For 2010, it was the exact same bike, that, "no one wanted to ride" as mentioned in the 2009 street shootout. This 2010 shootout had the yam not to well, and the world press(esp Europe)don't like it, esp would not pick it as the best street bike, yet Waheed claims even then, the R1 is what he would buy if his money was on the line. Looks like he did not have to, yam bought him one. Here is my proof of my claims: In this "Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix via Yamaha R1" Wednesday, July 21, 2010" article Waheed gets delivery of one from Yam, then can't stop boasting about it. Hence, the bribe worked, ie. he got his new yam courtesy of them for pumping it up to the masses. And well, my proof is, no sooner had the next day come after my post on that new article written, guess what? No, my post did not disappear,(as one might guess), but the whole article that came out July 21st completely got removed from Moto Usa's servers. I only posted the same exact message as the one under this one, but for that new article questioning them, and wham, the next day, that whole article magically disappears off all their servers. And now, I have no doubts that Moto Usa's views of a bike depend only on one thing; how much, or what a said company gives them in return for positive comments.Moto Usa is dishonest. I guess it all depends on what they get bribed in return. As if I will ever take anything they say seriously now. What a Scam!
Mr Smith -Officer  July 25, 2010 07:37 PM
(First read a new post on this site under "Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix via Yamaha R1" Wednesday, July 21, 2010 to understand the context of my question better.) Something smells a little fishy Mr. Waheed me thinks. Personally I happen to think the Yamaha R1 has the best looks of any sportsbike out there(which for the street to me is very important) and I like it very much so I am not dissing it. However you gave it your nod as your "preferred sportbike for street use" in this test.(I have appreciated your smackdowns greatly btw.)As much as I personally think the looks of the R1 are hot, no one elts, or hardly anyone elts in any bike media would pick it as the best street bike out there. You are alone. Granted its personally subjective as to what would be your pick, with your own money, if you had to buy one. But you picked the R1 and now, low and behold you get a gift from Yamaha of one. (see newer story as mentioned up top) Isn't it fair that a customer of yours, such as me, have a right to question potential ethics? So is that how it worked Waheed? Yamaha offered to pay you, with a bike, if you pumped it so high to us? If so then that makes your opinions about products biased then? Does it only depend on how much a company will pay you for you to review products well? If Yamaha said, "Great Waheed, you liked our bike so much, we will give Moto Usa one for a year for you to demo all you like", that is fine. But if Yamaha said, "great job Waheed, here is your bribe for doing so, like we promised", that is wrong. If the later is true, I have lost a lot of respect for you Waheed as well as Moto Usa for allowing it. I apologize if I assume wrongly, but something smells really fishy with your delivery of that R1 after you top picked it.
bazi -top speeds  June 15, 2010 09:36 PM
i love your work.you told us HP,1/4mile,accelrating and a lot of thing about these bikes but you forgat one thing which every fan of bikes wants to know and that is top speed.please tell the top speed.accpet this u are working best
sith4000 -Horse power  June 4, 2010 09:51 AM
i got a 2008 cbr1000rr with a fmf slip on and a K&N and got the bike dyno in Montana and the bike is only pushing 146.70 hp at the rear wheel so do not trust what they tell you what the bike is pushing for hp becuase all in all you have to take in the fact the engine is pushing 150 but at the rear wheel you are losing some power. unless you get a full system and get it tuned up then you will be pushing some power to the ground
gunther -it's not just brands  June 4, 2010 05:41 AM
The ohlins are not a guarantee that the bike will handle better. They are sometimes very hard to set up right, and showa or other brand suspension/brakes can perform very well too. The biggest factor is how these parts interact. However, putting a stock ducati in the mix would have given a better comparison, especially since the rsv4 is the normal version as well.
for 10 grand extra you can put some trick bits on a honda/kawa/suzy

I think BMW really made the next step with affordable and advanced electronics. However, (apart from ESA and ABS) it's not something I would value in a bike I use on the street
Stephen -Disagree  May 27, 2010 08:35 PM
How can we compared fully equipped motorbike with just regular bikes? Look at ducati and other european bikes. They got at least brembo not to mention ohlins. While jap bikes often use showa and nissin. We all know that ohlin and brembo gives more than other. Lets do compare again if they got more equipment, and I believe jap bikes will fool european bikes
DJ -Reply to Realistic  May 27, 2010 03:52 AM
Reply to Realistic: This review needs to be realistic as well. The BMW they tested was $3000 higher than the CBR and the CBR they tested must have been the one with ABS (based on wieght listed and price). I don't think the review was clear about whether the CBR had the ABS or not. $3000 is a lot money for the average joe like me who's basically a street rider - especially when I have to convince my wife to let me upgrade! BMW's power only exceeds beyond 10000 rpm which is range i've only seen a few times so the extra money to get the power above 10000rpm is not a big selling point for me. So my message to the manufacturers is too not follow BMW's blueprint but too keep the torque and HP lower in the range for street riding in stock form and let the racers and tuners do their thing to make it race track ready.

And my question was to the reviewers - is the BMW $8400 better than the 08 CBR1000rr? Or did I make a mistake and should I have pre-ordered the BMW last fall?
Realistic -DJ, you need to qualify  May 25, 2010 11:19 AM
DJ, the only reason you got your 'Blade for that price is because of the overstock situation (caused in part by the oil conscumtion problem) of the 08's. If they were more popular and there was less stock, you would not have got the discount (go figure). The comparison was not against your discounted 08, it was against the 10's. And at the 10 prices, when you take away the options on the BMW, it is price competitive (unless you want the extra hp, brakes etc. for free??!!).
Todd -Superbike Smackdown  May 23, 2010 11:24 PM
I look forward to reading the "Superbike Smackdown" every year. It is highly unlikely that I would ever get to ride all of these bikes (or even more than a couple of them) and it is pretty cool to see how they might "stack-up." Most people buy these bikes for the way that they make them feel, don't you think? I am willing to bet that most people buy the bike that they find the most aesthetically pleasing and in the color that they like. That being said, I am glad the competition is so intense, as it just makes all of the manufacturers make better products!
adam - motousa -Prashant - About YAMAHA R1  May 21, 2010 11:13 AM
the r1 heat problem is still there. during the time of our ride the weather was mild thus the heat problem wasn't an issue. it's actually nice as it keeps your lower extremenitys warm when riding in chilly weather.

look at the points scale and you'll see that the r1 only beat the ninja by a mere 2 points.
Nick -BLATANT PANDERING TO ADVERTISERS  May 21, 2010 11:03 AM
I used to actually have some respect for Motorcycle USA. Not anymore, sellouts.
Prashant -About YAMAHA R1  May 20, 2010 09:25 PM
Hey MotoUSA, last year you guys rated YZF-R1 behind kawasaki. Although both bikes are same this year you have put R1 ahead of ZX-10. Then 2nd point - Last year on this R1, your butts got roasted due to excessive heat from those underseat pipes. And this year you'did not even bothered to mention it! You guys need to put all the facts and figures infront of people.I mean, you guys change colors like chameleons, dont' you?
DJ -BMW Costs vrs Performance  May 20, 2010 07:28 AM
So your $16400 BMW test unit cost $8400 more than my 08 CBR1000rr (bought it new fall of 09 for $8000). Is the $8400 up tick really worth it on the street? Is the BMW really $8400 better than my 08 CBR1000rr?
John -Interactive Graphs  May 18, 2010 09:47 PM
Great comparo guys. I would be very interested in an interactive graph where you could compare certain bikes on selected categories. I think it would be very helpful just to give someone a quick idea of the comparative capabilities if your deciding between just a couple of these bikes.
eric -17th earl of gurney  May 18, 2010 07:34 PM
when will that six cylinder bmw be here?
tik -BMW  May 18, 2010 07:09 AM
Damm,BMW are much more powerful compare to Ducati,I really like BMW S1000rr.
HokieNinja -Nice Job  May 18, 2010 06:16 AM
Great write up guys. I particularly think the "For My Money" bit is the most telling because even though the RSV4R landed last, two guys still chose it. It just goes to show that most of us ride for the visceral experience of riding and not imaginary lap times on the street. Keep it coming. P.S. Waheed, when can we look forward to a review of the Bell Star helmet?
Jaybond -Power race  May 18, 2010 01:15 AM
The conclusion is, BMW has definitely triggered a new horsepower race in the superbike history. Looking forward to the next 1 or 2 years..
Kevin White -also...  May 17, 2010 08:54 PM
Also like the graphics at the top of each page -- the ranking of the bikes.
J Jonas -none  May 17, 2010 08:33 PM
Great writing! Informative with backup data. I can't argue that you do a consistently wonderful job of bringing the bikes to life. I sorta feel as if I've been out riding them and now understand their strengths and weaknesses. Keep it up.
Kevin White -Excellent  May 17, 2010 08:19 PM
Superb job all around.
Racer1 -Agree with Colton...  May 17, 2010 03:04 PM
Nice write up guys, considered and well executed. Not the class of bike I like for the street, but always interesting to read and see how things stack up and who is currently leapfrogging who. Great job.
Colton -Moto-USA  May 17, 2010 12:45 PM
Honestly outta every single superbike comparison out there Moto-USA's comparo's are far better than any given motorcycle magazine or website. I love how you guys give the numbers first to support what you're saying on which bike is best and then only after you've given all your numbers do you state your own opinion on which bike to buy. Well done guys best smackdown yet