Sportbikes are NOT Beginner Bikes . . .

Posted at 4/12/2014 2:30:43 PM

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daftpunk said:I got a Ninja 250 as my first bike at the behest of more "experienced" riders. While I can't say I regret the decision, it definitely got boring very quickly. I only rode it for about two months before getting my GSX-R600 in 2008. I still have it and ride it to this day.

You say that new riders who experience success on 600's are the "exception", but you don't provide any data to verify that assertion. Isn't that just as fallacious as the logic you were criticizing?

I'm willing to wager that most folks who purchase a 600 as their first bike do just fine. That would make them the standard, and the ones who don't do fine the exception.

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I don't think anyone is saying you're probably going to have an accident if you start on a 600. What they are saying is that riders who start on a 600 are more likely to have an accident than riders who start on a 250.

Posted at 4/12/2014 3:04:42 PM

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skyhawk04kilo said:
I don't think anyone is saying you're probably going to have an accident if you start on a 600. What they are saying is that riders who start on a 600 are more likely to have an accident than riders who start on a 250.


You are correct sir. :coolthumb:

Overall FOUR TIMES more likely to crash on an SS bike than on any other style of bike, and that statistic includes experienced riders so I would expect the multiplier to be even greater for less experienced riders.

There's a reason you get nailed on Insurance for an SS bike.

I loved mine, had it for 13 years, but grew tired of its narrow focus and abilities on the street. Truly no faster on that than on my DRZ400SM due to the nature of my riding area and the fact that my overall speed is governed by my line of sight on the twisty bumpy back roads, not my right wrist.

I think every experienced rider should own an SS bike in their riding life if they have any interest whatsoever...preferably after experiencing a track school of some kind.

A new rider?

Um, no.

I think an SS bike actually hinders the pace of learning vs. a less challenging type of motorcycle...you know, one specifically designed for the street rather than the track!

I've come to the conclusion in my 30+ year of riding that while no street bike can touch an SS bike on the track with equally skilled riders aboard I've also concluded that a competently designed street bike outshines an SS on the street in almost every way.

Supersport bike riders have death rates that are four times greater than average for all motorcycle types, says the IIHS.

Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths."

The fatality rates for cruiser and "standard" riders rank the lowest, at 5.7 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles. Touring bikes, such as the Harley example, averaged 6.5 deaths, with sport bikes totaling 10.7 deaths per 10,000.


http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2007/09/motorcycle-death-rates-doubled-supersport-bikes-the-most-dangerous/index.htm


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Posted at 7/21/2014 4:02:02 AM

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Wery good!!!


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Posted at 7/23/2014 10:06:23 AM

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Question

I will first be driving a cruiser for a few months(5-6 minimum, 1 year max, probably 7-8 months) my dad's Harley and I will take a safety motorcycle class, but then would it be appropriate to get a MV Agusta F4 or Ducati 899/1199( both used) ? I really want one of those bikes, but I would rather take my time and wait instead of rushing in head first. So I want your opinions on what would be the earliest I could get one of theses bikes.

Posted at 7/23/2014 10:27:24 AM

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startrek19 said:I will first be driving a cruiser for a few months(5-6 minimum, 1 year max, probably 7-8 months) my dad's Harley and I will take a safety motorcycle class, but then would it be appropriate to get a MV Agusta F4 or Ducati 899/1199( both used) ? I really want one of those bikes, but I would rather take my time and wait instead of rushing in head first. So I want your opinions on what would be the earliest I could get one of theses bikes.


Those Italian bikes are gorgeous; I can see the attraction.

They are horrible street bikes, however, and in the Motorcycle USA 2012 Shootout those two came in 8th and 9th out of the nine bikes tested.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I won't even mention how silly it is for a new rider to consider buying one...one year's experience is nothing.

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Posted at 7/23/2014 10:32:24 AM

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when would the appropriate time to purchase a sports bike be?

Posted at 7/23/2014 10:38:01 AM

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how about number 9 or 6 from the list down below? could they be good first time bikes?

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/06/10-best-beginner-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250

Posted at 7/23/2014 10:57:28 AM

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startrek19 said:how about number 9 or 6 from the list down below? could they be good first time bikes?

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/06/10-best-beginner-motorcycles/hyosung-gt250


Those KTM's are cool, but, alas, not available here.

A used Ninja 250 or 300, would make a good first sporty bike, and while that Honda is very very nice and might make a good ride after about a year on another bike, it is rather expensive.

If you have the money sure, but used is always better for a newer rider. Suzuki and Kawasaki had 500's that are available used and have similar performance, (but no ABS), to the new Honda 500's.

Actually a used Ninja 300 with ABS would be what I'd look for now that I think about it more.

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Posted at 7/23/2014 5:38:45 PM

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Ninja 300 isn't a bad choice. The CBR500R is also a very good pick but a little pricey for a first. I like this one:



The Suzuki GSX650F. Great bike. Very comfortable, reliable, you can pick them up used for a good price, After market upgrades are out there for it, and since you will have a saftey class and months of time on a much bigger bike under your belt you will be able to handle it. It will be a very different ride from the Harley, so go easy at first. But you will enjoy this bike. If you want less fairing, this migh be a good choice:



The Suzuki SV650. Guys love this thing and even track ride with them. Take your time and shop it. Which ever candidate you like, Look the bike over hard if you are going used. Look at tires, chains etc. Look for rust and frame imperfections. Test ride Whenever possible. Service records are a big bonus.

Good luck! The hunt can be a lot of fun. Enjoy it.

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Posted at 8/15/2014 1:17:18 PM

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Thanks for the helpful tips.

I have a friend who started with a 600CC and faceplant in 2 weeks...

good thing he was ok and there were only minor damage to the bike.


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